Something for all of you to chew on...

[evil lord kirby]

People like phantom are what drove me to remove all of my custom scripts and delete as many of my threads and posts as I could and just remove myself from this community for a while. It took me a few months before I decided to come back here but not like before I stopped sharing my scripts here and didnt post much but now I am begining to post more often. I still wont share my scripts here lol.

This thread makes me feel better though maybe once things change I will start sharing my scripts here again and start posting more and giving support where I can.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by evil lord kirby

People like phantom are what drove me to remove all of my custom scripts and delete as many of my threads and posts as I could and just remove myself from this community for a while. It took me a few months before I decided to come back here but not like before I stopped sharing my scripts here and didnt post much but now I am begining to post more often. I still wont share my scripts here lol.

This thread makes me feel better though maybe once things change I will start sharing my scripts here again and start posting more and giving support where I can.

Taking your ball and going home is any different right...?

*shakes head*

How mistaken some of you are.

[TheOutkastDev]

I remember posting about this exact issue a while back. I got the same responses that have been generally expressed in this thread.

There was no change last time.

[Liacs]

I would never think about taking my stuff out of the forum, that is a little too much action in answer to the 'snobby behaviour', but you have to understand, Ryan, that not doing anything against these scary posts of Phantom and co. is helping them in a way...
I don't want to accuse you of something, nor the other moderators here, but you gave those people the platform and chance to be able fo flame...
...and *clears throat*... in my opinion Phantom was banned much too late!

[Ayrius]

That´s a good thing to see.
The foruns are here to help the new people, and not to scold them. Not everyone knows about the "search old posts".
I hope the things are changing for good.

[bzk90]

Originally Posted by Mortis

With the new community spirit here I also may start reapearing on these forums.

I was getting tired of the way things were going. I was also very busy in real life and had litle time to script or help people.

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OMG MORTIS YOUR ALIVE!!! message me so we can talk again
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I think its about time something like this was posted, whether or not anything changes is still to be seen but we can all hope.
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[Final Realms]

Ryan said it all. Its frustrating for newcomers and even established scripters to get nothing in the way of help except for a post telling them to search the forums.

Its is obvious they need to know they should also post a crash log or all the information about what they want to do, or have done to get there, but none the less there is allways a bit of info everyone knows that can be given right of the bat.

Dont mind me though.. Im just coasting along until RunUO 2.0 rolls out.

[TMSTKSBK]

I try to be nice :-\. Sometimes I get carried away...

Originally Posted by TheOutkastDev

I remember posting about this exact issue a while back. I got the same responses that have been generally expressed in this thread.

There was no change last time.

[Ravenal]

its pretty simple heh.. most people would learn to search first before posting questions for directions and such... Also instead telling people to search and such try to help them by guiding them if you don't know what to do to help them then its better to let someone else help

[bzk90]

Originally Posted by Ayrius

That´s a good thing to see.
The foruns are here to help the new people, and not to scold them. Not everyone knows about the "search old posts".
I hope the things are changing for good.

I dont know where everyone gets the idea that people are being told to go search. From my experiences Iv'e seen very few posts where someone says "search for it" without also giving the thread starter something useful.

The simple fact is that searching helps them get their answer faster without having to wait for information that is
A. could be inaccurate/incomplete
B. already available
by telling them to search they know to do it the next time. Is it wrong to JUST say "go search", of course but I havent seen such a post in several months upwards to a year.

[xX_Devious_Xx]

Personally I find searching can help the person looking for help. I have been told to search a few times. No biggie, was a learning experience. I only help "EVERYTHING" affiliated with RunUO and UOG follow along to help people instead being self absorbed and acting all godly because they think they are better than everyone else. They fail to remember that at one time they didnt jack either. But just speaking my mind of course which is hard to do for fear of being banned by a moderator. Thank you for reading my ramblings.

[Courageous]

Originally Posted by xX_Devious_Xx

Personally I find searching can help the person looking for help.

Here's what I do. I meet them halfway. I assume that search mechanisms might be new to them. So I craft for them a search that will reveal their answer on the first page of links, and post the search terms. In this way, one can politely suggest that the item is frequently asked for, and should be searched, while at the same time answering their question.

C//

[Mifune]

Originally Posted by Dodge1965

Hopefully now, helpfulness will become more of a status symbol than notoriety.

I know this was posted on page 1, but I just had to respond to it. Being a member of the RunUO Forums should not be about status. Anyone who is doing RunUO development solely for status should drastically reassess their priorities, because they're in it for the wrong reason. The only "status" anyone should have or seek is that of being known as a helpful member of the community. Status should not be a goal in and of itself. You're either here to learn or to help other people learn. That's it. (Or have fun, which is what a game is all about anyway.)

[IHaveRegistered]

I've noticed myself trying to come less often to the boards over the years due to it... Though it's made me try and figure out my problems a lot more frequently. That's a fact... But it’s still a shame to see such ‘good and glory’ show any possibility to be gone, or even tainted for that matter.

[Cloud[CHN]]

i have to search for the problem and cost a lot of time to find the solution.

i know it's impossible to get the answers if i post here.

it's useless. just something like bullshit. hehe

[Lucid Nagual]

This quote is exactly the disease the RunUO community suffers from. It's true that here on these forums 99% of the questions have probably been answered. While we dont have copious amounts of documentation we have a very large and very heavily used forum where people answer questions on a daily basis. Usually the information we need is as close as hitting the search button.

The problem is we have a lot of users who are RunUO Snobs (Example: Phantom) that wont answer simple questions and tell 'newbies' to go read the forums, search the forums or read the documentation. Its ridiculous and it will be the downfall of further adoption of RunUO and will drive away more members of our community than it already has. A few of the development team members spoke recently and this kind of behavior will no longer be tolerated... from anyone.

If someone asks a question and you know the answer... answer the damn question. Answering the question is the best thing you can do for RunUO and like the person who wrote the quote driving this update said, "...it can also foster the sense of community that is the very lifeblood of..." RunUO.

Things are changing around here if you haven't already noticed. If you dont get on board you should probably get out.

Am I seeing this clearly?
This has been a wish of mine since I first came to this forum

Thank you, Ryan.

[bzk90]

Originally Posted by Cloud[CHN]

i have to search for the problem and cost a lot of time to find the solution.

i know it's impossible to get the answers if i post here.

it's useless. just something like bullshit. hehe

work on what keywords you use then, its not impossibe you just need to know what your looking for, and even when you post to find the answers so long as you word your question and try to help yourself you will find your precious answer. if people werent so damn lazy we would not have a problem

[walkingdead]

Thank you For this post I have been working with RunUO for a long time now but just lurked here in the forum. I have refrained from posting because of some of the responses I have seen. I always looked in amazement at how some responded with a “go look for yourself” or “type it up yourself and if you fail miserably post the code them maybe we will help you!” In the time it would take them to post that kind of reply they could have just answered the question!

I love the work you have done on RunUO and there are some great people here on the forums and I am ashamed that I have not been more active because of a few bad people. Maybe this will help some to understand the importance of well just being polite on the forms. I stayed away from posting because it was not worth it for me to deal with the negative responses that I have seen here and I believe I am not the only one to do this. So once again thank you for this post.

[walkingdead]

Originally Posted by bzk90

work on what keywords you use then, its not impossibe you just need to know what your looking for, and even when you post to find the answers so long as you word your question and try to help yourself you will find your precious answer. if people werent so damn lazy we would not have a problem

please re-read the first post in this thread!

I don't think you understood it. This is about helping people not venting your frustrations. If you are upset about this you do not need to reply to the post! You do more harm then good. If you wanted to explain what you do to insure you find what you are looking for with the forum search then please help out. not everybody has had success with the searches. You do not need to get nasty about it. Help or don't help your choice.

If you don't have anything nice to post then don't post at all .

[TMSTKSBK]

yah, don't think you quite grasped the point, there, bzk...

[xX_Devious_Xx]

Nothing wrong with giving someone a kick in the butt to point them in the right direction. Its a 50/50 effort. Hopefully we all can get along and do our part in making an even better community. I am currently learning more on C# thanks to the other posting of the programs microsoft released for free. Hopefully I can contribute more back to the community that gave me so much. Thank You All Alot.

[Lord_Greywolf]

i try to give them a little bit of help with out doing it for them,
or i tell them of something just like what they are trying to do, and to search for that thread, because it would help them out a lot
or hey - that has been done - look here for it

I do not tell them just to seach (or try not to - unless it is more of a request than a question)

I know i have gotten frustrated with the search engine (pop and pops are 2 totaly diferent searches and neither will show up wiht the other) or you get 10 pages worth to go through

but when you do figure it out, it makes you feel like you accomplished something

if it is just totaly handed to you, with out even trying, there is not much satasfaction there.

But since i started coming to these boards, I have been helped, helped others, and gained a great deal of knoledge, friends, and scripts along the way.

Help others, but do not hand them the stuff on a silver platter either. They will learn more that way, and some day they can help others then also

(when i came here I knew 0 of C# - I am a VB programmer ---- now I consider my knoledge of C# as "dangerous to be around" )

[Codeus]

This is something that this community, as well as may others out there, has needed for quite some time. It seemed to get a little better for a while after Outkasts post a while back but not to the extent that was needed. I don't know how many times I've tried to post a reply, sometime spending 5 - 10 minutes or more adding code/examples, just to find the post has been locked due to a flame war. In many of these posts the original poster never got their answer. Also, think of how many post out there are 10 - 20 pages long that should have been no more than 5 - 10 post long, for the exact same reason.
I just hope that this community can now get back to a helpful and enjoyable place for all that come here.

[Bome]

Thank you Ryan!

[Lucifer TOP]

Thank God,