Something for all of you to chew on...

[Viago]

Originally Posted by Ryan

If someone asks a question and you know the answer... answer the damn question.

dont meen to be an ass, but how do you know if somone does know or dont know? not many people who do read the help area...untill they ask for help...lol.

anyways good point, even atempting to help somone is good to, by atemopt i meen helping them out even if you are iffy on it like they are, you know, working your way to fealing her up.......i meen uh...

[TMSTKSBK]

I'm sure Ryan had a specific instance in mind...

[Viago]

i gatherd that. but majority of the comm is noobs, not like thats a bad thing. having docs and info for em helps, however not many read it, nor is having the resourses meen that there should not be any support. having a combination is key. guess some of us have to suck it up, and lighten up (on both sides of the help factor) lets face it if you dont help somone, and they dont know how to do something, and lets say you leave, or some peps leave that know the answer (that do answer) well....you see my point....

[TMSTKSBK]

No, I honestly don't...

[Boulder]

i im a noob know very little about scriping leaning more and more about editing from the post here.
Im sure alot of bigginers search the formum
Dont know of otheres but i also keep notes and it is very nice when a scriptor give you help instead of flaming you for not know its been posted
its easy to miss a post

[wildsid]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Today I was perusing slashdot.org as I do once or twice a week and I read an article about "Linux Snobs" stopping the adoption of Linux in corporate environments... I must say the article in question was right on the money. Of course you want to know how does that become newsworthy at RunUO?

Well in particular one quote I read made me think about RunUO:

"Yes, it is true that the answers to your questions are out there...Linux does have copious documentation. But the fact of the matter is that a simple answer to a simple question can do much more than save the newbie hours of combing through MAN pages...it can also foster the sense of community that is the very lifeblood of Linux."

This quote is exactly the disease the RunUO community suffers from. It's true that here on these forums 99% of the questions have probably been answered. While we dont have copious amounts of documentation we have a very large and very heavily used forum where people answer questions on a daily basis. Usually the information we need is as close as hitting the search button.

The problem is we have a lot of users who are RunUO Snobs (Example: Phantom) that wont answer simple questions and tell 'newbies' to go read the forums, search the forums or read the documentation. Its ridiculous and it will be the downfall of further adoption of RunUO and will drive away more members of our community than it already has. A few of the development team members spoke recently and this kind of behavior will no longer be tolerated... from anyone.

If someone asks a question and you know the answer... answer the damn question. Answering the question is the best thing you can do for RunUO and like the person who wrote the quote driving this update said, "...it can also foster the sense of community that is the very lifeblood of..." RunUO.

Things are changing around here if you haven't already noticed. If you dont get on board you should probably get out.

wow i will be actuley able to ask things like whare dose the constructable end

and not get totel flamed for ??????

i have read the forums for a long time and post varey littel do to the constant
onslaught i see of others forasking questions i my self have had

ty varey much Ryan

[BillyTheKid]

Well im really a basic scriptor and like to play with things. I am not stupid, just i never learned that but im very good at understanding things. Sometimes you ask a question and the answer you get is: search the forum. In my mind i was thinking like "he take me for a dumb". if you search the forum and get the answer you want, you instantly get your answer... so why someone would post to get an answer ONLY when another one would (if so) like to answer. Most of us doesnt have time to waist, we work in real life and for me i've children, so my playing time is restricted. Im going to search again and if i find a solution, im gonna us it right on the spot. If im asking its cause probably im missunderstanding something or its not the answer im looking for.

Well thank you for this new way of thinking, its refreshing and let us know we all can make mistakes !

Good day to all, Folks !

[sangredevida]

I can not say how many times I have just closed my browser just before I typed a reply or before I posted a question, for fear of a mad rampage of Self proclaimed experts wanting to rant on the new guy. Its nice to see things are changing and shaping up. I believe in a nicer and happier forum where newbies and experts can exist.

[PDakis]

I would just like to say thank you. After searching many times for a answer that seemed to be ellusive I was afraid to post. Lol well I guess I learned alot that way by trial and error but it could of saved me many hours of frustration or just settling on something else ...if I had not been so fearful of a nasty reply. Thank you for fixing that problem . While I am at it thank you for making this site possible , it really is such a help to all of us. I dont know what I would do without runuo and all it does for the community.

[roadmaster]

OMG, i cant believe i never saw this post before now.

Ryan your my Hero...

[Zaphieon]

thats a bit of a change from 5 yrs ago.. a much needed one

[Storm33229]

Originally Posted by Zaphieon

thats a bit of a change from 5 yrs ago.. a much needed one

An Corp? Lame stuffs.

[J MaNN]

Whats wrong with you people posting in OLD threads.

[lllTalonlll]

well you know i as well and STILL am new to all this and when i first started i got the same results as alot of you have and that was well hes new and we dont have the time but here laetly iv noticed that alot of you have helped and gotten back to my posts quickly and even compimented one of my posts and a few of the yes NEWBE scripts that where not totally mine but respect and credit due to where it was due . so in this i say thank you and im glad that we are all trying to get this back to what i would imagine was once the way it should of been and thats whit the help of others and the team growing as a whole not as I after all the old saying that yes some may find corny or stupid but yet still is the CORE to it all and that is there is no I in TEAM and with that said i think the ones and the few that are getting onboard here and helping will make one and sorry for the next word but one HELL of a TEAM.

thsnks for all the hard work and time that all of you put into this in helping each and every one of us from old vets to US new just starting out scriptors.



lllTalonlll

[Sythen]

The RunUO community has been very helpful to me. I've been working on my server for the better part of 2 years now and about 75% of the time I always get an answer to my scripting issues.

The other 25% of the time I get a reply (usually from the same person) listing about 50 alternative links to browse thru from which the poster must think I'll get my answer; most of the time its very unhelpful.

Thank you for putting your foot down. Much Appreciated!!!

[dspain75]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Today I was perusing slashdot.org as I do once or twice a week and I read an article about "Linux Snobs" stopping the adoption of Linux in corporate environments... I must say the article in question was right on the money. Of course you want to know how does that become newsworthy at RunUO?

Well in particular one quote I read made me think about RunUO:

"Yes, it is true that the answers to your questions are out there...Linux does have copious documentation. But the fact of the matter is that a simple answer to a simple question can do much more than save the newbie hours of combing through MAN pages...it can also foster the sense of community that is the very lifeblood of Linux."

This quote is exactly the disease the RunUO community suffers from. It's true that here on these forums 99% of the questions have probably been answered. While we dont have copious amounts of documentation we have a very large and very heavily used forum where people answer questions on a daily basis. Usually the information we need is as close as hitting the search button.

The problem is we have a lot of users who are RunUO Snobs (Example: Phantom) that wont answer simple questions and tell 'newbies' to go read the forums, search the forums or read the documentation. Its ridiculous and it will be the downfall of further adoption of RunUO and will drive away more members of our community than it already has. A few of the development team members spoke recently and this kind of behavior will no longer be tolerated... from anyone.

If someone asks a question and you know the answer... answer the damn question. Answering the question is the best thing you can do for RunUO and like the person who wrote the quote driving this update said, "...it can also foster the sense of community that is the very lifeblood of..." RunUO.

Things are changing around here if you haven't already noticed. If you dont get on board you should probably get out.

very nice Ryan, i have been around awhile but never really post much, well b/c of the exact above mentioned problem.
and it is a disease that has spread to virtually any community based project and frankly thats exactly what forums are for, to discuss and give/recieve feedback on issues, in this case development/server stuff.
sure we all saw the search button but figured asking would get a much better approach to the EXACT thing i need to accomplish.
very nicely done Ryan and team.

Daniel - ArcticZone Internet Solutions

[Stuart lil]

The Adventures or Sir Grumpy & Necro Mongo
Lets put this thread into picture =P

[Jeebus Cripe]

I have read these posts and I to have been ridiculed for asking a question. I'd just like to say that some people that have shards have jobs to go to, or have children up their arse all day and don't have time to search piles and piles of data all day. so there for it is easier to post a question and get a nice decent reply. And... Some times it is nice to go through the drive through rather than fix a home made meal per say...sorta speak.

[aventae]

I get flamed all the time even back during my contributions to Uox v24 or so as Ghost.. I come here.. and still get flamed for trying to help or asked question.
I for one have not been affriad to admit when i have atleast attempted to help and been flamed for being wrong. I came from Uox and to hear with no real programming knowledge, and being human i make mistakes.
I for one Never let Phantom bother me when he would reply to my posts with a rude demeanor, Many Time Phantom did help me.
I myself have never made claims i am leet scripter/coder, but i have made tons of contributions whether how big or small and its also the lack of respect some members of this community has toward others that has turned a few away as well ..not just the replies to questions.
Don't get me wrong i am not saying all should bow down pr anything of that sort, but to flame someones attempt to help is lack of respect. The "Snob" disease hasn't just plagued members either.. , but the dev team as well.
I understand saying this may get me banned or flamed, but at this point i don't much care.. Many times i have heard rants and rave's about the source code for runuo and many times i have heard people praising RunUO and the dev team's ego feeding on it. The point of the matter is UoX was one of the first Emu's (and yes i remember Zippy being on the UoX dev team) and Much like Phantom , Zippy had attitude problems then.. not so much now, but then it was pretty bad. Don't get me wrong i am not taking away Zippy's contributions to Uox, but many of the community even in Uox seemed to followed Zippy's attitude much like how some of the members here with the flaming.Also i am not Saying the blame is Zippy's for this communities "Disease".. But some ppl usually follow by example.
I am thankful to have seen a UO Emu ported to C#, and i am not going to make accusations RunUo stole or reversed engineered UoX Emu.. but a base standard for every Emu usually comes from somewhere, when speaking in terms of Uo Emulators Post- Uox.No matter how the source code came about i do atleast congratulate RunUo team on their hard work and efforts for creating RunUo.
Again i am not Trying to trash talk or bad mouth The Community or the RunUo Team.. I am only saying the "Snob" factor isnt just limited to members... and that many have forgotten what it was like when they was just starting out and new to programming.

Anyhow i've said my peace, and if i am still not banned after this post, i will still continue to help..So i guess only left to say is Let the flames begin lol..

[greywolf79]

There are only a few that seem to be treating people real bad... So it is those few that need to be told, do better or get out. I have noticed most stuff I see comes from 1 individual and so when I see them posting stuff bashing people I tell them to be quiet or get out if it is just plain bashing. If it is constructive critisism then that is different (though some could use some better words when putting it into words, myself included I am sure). It is just there are some people that think that by putting others down it makes them better. I just like that the mods of these forums actually try to keep things relatively nice on the comments (I have seen most forums I go to where they do not even try to keep the rules being followed). Just my thoughts though...

GreyWolf.

[HellRazor]

The RUO forums are 100% better than they were when this thread started over 2.5 years ago, at least so far as people being rude to others go. I was happy to see the team here putting a stop to it. Very rarely do I see anyone being downright rude or flaming people anymore.

[Puron1794]

Originally Posted by HellRazor

The RUO forums are 100% better than they were when this thread started over 2.5 years ago, at least so far as people being rude to others go. I was happy to see the team here putting a stop to it. Very rarely do I see anyone being downright rude or flaming people anymore.

I agree, HR. I also think closing Starbucks did wonders for the overall atmosphere of the forums... though I miss the banter sometimes.

I can certainly relate to the "newbs" again, now that I've decided to relaunch my shard after a year+ of not even so much as glancing at a script. The term "rusty" is a huge understatement!

[Lord_Greywolf]

closing starbucks will probably help a lot - i agree there fully

And i thin i say the following for many people up here, because i have seen them the same way, at least IMO

I have helped many people, i have also not helped many people, and i have done anywhere inbetween also
And the reasons are simple of why i do

When i see that someone has put forth the effert to try and get the answers (more than just saying they searched for 2 hours and i do a simple search and it is right there), they have tried to script it, or by the way they say things in there question, i help a lot, many times if it is a very vague and diffacult answer, i will give it fully
otherwise, i give the them information of how to do, so they can learn how to do it, and be able to do more on their own

but When i see the same question asked for the 100th time, i either tell them to seach, or go to the FAQ section, etc where it is at, because they do need to search a little 1st - if they do not have time to search for their answers to start with, then they do not hagve time to run a shard either - part of being a shard owner is having the time for it
to many shards come and go, just because the owners do not have the time for them, and it is the players that loose out then
And those trying to learn how to script, or are scripters foro shards, know the 1st rule of programming is research, and research is searching - if they do not know that rule, they should

I am not flaming anyone when doing that - i am trying to help them and to help the free shard community as a whole - the players are the most important part of that community

I have "held my fingers" back many times from typeing - give it up, you are to stupid to even own a computer, let alone a shard - but i do not do it - i hated phantom for being that way
but i am also not going to do some one elses research for them, or totaly write a script for them that i am not going to be using at all
I am trying to help people when i come up here, and also many times look for answers myself as well
but i am not here 24/7, i do have a life (i think lol) and a shard to run and script for also
And when people get impatient and bumb, or say "doesn't any one help anyone here", etc, i do get upset
because they think that we are here to help them
I am not staff here (never been offered it either, or applied for)
I am not a moderator
But i do remeind people of the rules, because staff/mods are not always on, and many times it is a mistake, and reminding people about it can get them to do it in the right places, so they do not get banned for to many mistakes
I am not flamming them, i am trying to help them

so many times, i may seem like i am flaming, when i am not, i am just trying to help
NOW IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS, then maybe i am upset at them lol (never has happened except for single words to stress that word)
So i hope every knows that i am just trying to help when i tell you to try searching for it, or it has been answered many times, look around for it

ps - i like to rattle on and on and on sometimes and type to much lol

[Fixxxer]

I'm sure alot of people got their panties in a knot when this thread was rezed, however I think this thread should be a sticky and put on the front page of each forum topic. I was very glad to see starbucks go, I posted a few times in there myself but as a whole it brought the entire community down. Its good to see that more people are coming in and trying RunUO out without the BS of lurkers just looking to post something stupid.
I havent been on in a long time for alot of different reasons but alot of it was because of the people in the forums, I just always figured it was easier to learn C# then to ask a question. Most the time my questions would be ignored, highjacked, or basically just told me to learn C#. New people need a good welcoming in order to stick around and many times I've seen people with only one or two posts and them saying screw it I'll go somewhere else. This is a very good thread and should never be lost in the mix........

[Sythen]

Actually I agree with Lord_Greywolf 99%, but I wouldn't go so far as to judge who should start up, own and operate a shard and who should not. The fact remains that unless you are the child of some rich celebrity and/or you've somehow come into a lot of money either through retirement or the lottery, then you are like the rest of us who have to work for a living with re