Installing uo on vista?

[Darky12]

Hey, im having some problems installing uo on vista OS, When iclickt the modians legacy.exe installer it just loads up a window asking me for permission to let the installer acess my pc. I click allow nothing happens.

I've installed this game version "modians legacy" at my works pc and its vista.

Computer specs.

Pocessor -AMD athlon 64 X2 duel core pocessor 5000+ (2.6ghz)
Ram - 2942 mb
system type - 32 bit
OS - windows Vista home premium

Just bought this today.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Darky12

Hey, im having some problems installing uo on vista OS, When iclickt the modians legacy.exe installer it just loads up a window asking me for permission to let the installer acess my pc. I click allow nothing happens.

I've installed this game version "modians legacy" at my works pc and its vista.

Computer specs.

Pocessor -AMD athlon 64 X2 duel core pocessor 5000+ (2.6ghz)
Ram - 2942 mb
system type - 32 bit
OS - windows Vista home premium

Just bought this today.

Right click the installer, and do "Run as Administrator"

[Darky12]

already tried that, also tryed the compatiblitymode for xp service pack 2 still nothing, restarted updated windows ....

[DreamCatcher]

I think Vista is still really buggy..I also have Vista and I have AOS installed with no problem...But can't install Pandoras Box with Vista...EVEN some windows updates will lock up your Vista Windows... A lot of things are not compatible ...Very strange...

You maybe stuck using what you already have installed...

You maybe able to do a search and put in Vista and the type of uo you want to run such as ML , ETC, and see if someone has found a fix for it...

Good luck

[Darky12]

possible to install the xp on a windows vista pc?

[Radwen]

Yes, XP and Vista are just the OS. You can change that to anything you want.

The question is, how much privileges do you have over your work PC?
Work PC can mean anything ... from having a fixed image provided by the company to having a second PC in your office at home.

[purplemouse91]

I am running a shard on Vista and have no problems with pandoras Box...

Pandora's Box

I downloaded it from this site. I put it on my desktop in a folder and run it from there ... I have had no problems with it...Hope this helps you with pandora's Box

[warkid]

Originally Posted by Darky12

Hey, im having some problems installing uo on vista OS, When iclickt the modians legacy.exe installer it just loads up a window asking me for permission to let the installer acess my pc. I click allow nothing happens.

I've installed this game version "modians legacy" at my works pc and its vista.

Computer specs.

Pocessor -AMD athlon 64 X2 duel core pocessor 5000+ (2.6ghz)
Ram - 2942 mb
system type - 32 bit
OS - windows Vista home premium

Just bought this today.

I have the same problem installing it. after you hit allow just wait, it should come up. im running on a vista ultimate os and when i resintall UO it usually takes a while for me too

[Arkryal]

A simple question, no simple answer...

The reason in short I suspect has to do with UAC (User Agent Control). I know, your saying "I disabled that", but it isn't that easy.

UAC is a two tiered system that prevents software loaded from within the OS to directly interface with hardware. This prevents Viruses, spyware, and old, incompatible software from making potentially harmful changes to the system. It is also the root cause of the annoying "Confirm or Deny" popups in vista, which is why I suspect you, like everyone else have disabled it.

As I stated earlier, it is a two tiered system (in most cases). The first level is software (the annoying popups), and the second tier is part of the BIOS, which allows UAC to intercept or block unverified process threads. The hardware support is only present on newer motherboards, and is not typically an option that can be disabled.

Here's how it works ideally. You run the installer, Vista asks if this is something you really intended to install. If you say yes, it appends a few bits to memory that tells the hardware to execute the process. If you disable UAC, those bits don't get appended and the hardware doesn't know if it's okay to execute or not. There is usually a built in time delay of 30 seconds to a minute and then it should execute. The problem is old installer packages may send up red flags on any or every action taken by the installer, causing this delay many times over and giving the appearance of a hung install. It is actually working, just being delayed at every step along the way.

Why does this not happen for everyone? Many vista users are running older motherboards (more than 1 year old) and don't have support for UAC on the BIOS level, so windows compensates and approves pretty much anything is the feature is disabled. Vista32 is notorious for flakey UAC execution, Vista64 works much better, this problem should not occur there.

Why does it work on the Work computer? If you are part of a domain in the work place, UAC policies are typically deferred to a group policy manager on the server which approves or denies changes based on a policy set by your admin. This is completely invisible on the end-user system most of the time, so depending on the policies, it would be a non issue. Or, as stated before, that PC may not have the hardware components that create the problem.

There are many, many more other possible issues that could yield the same problems your having, UAC isn't always to blame, but it's the first suspect.

Try turning UAC back on, then reboot and install, approve the install in the pop up window and it should work. If not, let the installer work for a little longer, maybe as much as 2 hours, ignoring windows if it says the program is not responding. Just walk away and see if it finishes. In most cases it will, just in an aggravatingly long time.

You can also run UO from an install on a separate partition, so if you have an XP partition, install it there and the game will run in vista with no problems. If you don't have an XP partition, don't attempt to create one without doing some research, as it will rewrite your MBR and make it impossible to go back to vista. It takes a 3rd party tool to do that, so it's not a practical solution unless you already have it set up for a proper dual boot.

Good luck

[Jeff]

Vista and XP use the same EXACT filesystem.

[Arkryal]

Correct, however, Vista installs a boot manager if another partition exists as bootable, XP over-writes the boot record so all other OS installs seem to disappear. So you can install XP first, then vista and have no problems, but Vista first then XP will auto-boot into XP with no vista option. You can load GRUB or any similar boot manager to fix it, but as I said it takes a 3rd party app, or at minimum a repair install of vista after XP is loaded to return it as a boot option. Just don't want anyone to install XP over vista and wonder why they can't get back to vista without an explanation. I didn't mean to imply that the task was difficult or should be avoided, simply that anyone unfamiliar with multiple OS installations should do a quick Google search first to head-off any potential problems.

Given Vista's current state of stability (or lack thereof as many see it), a dual boot may be the best solution. If you have the time and an empty partition, go for it. Especially if you are or plan to be an active programmer. The works only done when it's tested on every conceivable system, so multiple OS's are a great start. If you have no programming aspirations, it does help avoid compatibility issues. As Jeff points out, XP and Vista use the same file system, so in most cases anything installed in XP will then run in Vista, inside and often outside the compatibility mode.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Arkryal

Correct, however, Vista installs a boot manager if another partition exists as bootable, XP over-writes the boot record so all other OS installs seem to disappear. So you can install XP first, then vista and have no problems, but Vista first then XP will auto-boot into XP with no vista option. You can load GRUB or any similar boot manager to fix it, but as I said it takes a 3rd party app, or at minimum a repair install of vista after XP is loaded to return it as a boot option. Just don't want anyone to install XP over vista and wonder why they can't get back to vista without an explanation. I didn't mean to imply that the task was difficult or should be avoided, simply that anyone unfamiliar with multiple OS installations should do a quick Google search first to head-off any potential problems.

Given Vista's current state of stability (or lack thereof as many see it), a dual boot may be the best solution. If you have the time and an empty partition, go for it. Especially if you are or plan to be an active programmer. The works only done when it's tested on every conceivable system, so multiple OS's are a great start. If you have no programming aspirations, it does help avoid compatibility issues. As Jeff points out, XP and Vista use the same file system, so in most cases anything installed in XP will then run in Vista, inside and often outside the compatibility mode.

Actually its simple to boot Vista after you install XP, you juts modify C:\boot.ini.... In addition Vista is highly stable, I've been using it here at home, and at work for over 6 months without issue. How come no one remembers how unstable and shitty XP was when it came out?.... now its suddenly the best OS ever....

[Arkryal]

I was unaware of a boot.ini tweak, (haven't played with that file since Win95, completely forgot it existed) It sounds like a helpful trick. I'll look into it, Thanks for the info. As for your comments on Vista, I aggree parttially. I prefer it to XP, and there is a very noticable spped increse over XP, but it doesn't play well with old hardware. I have an $800 Turtle Beach soundcard that it doesn't support. A quality soundcard leaves no incentive to upgrade as frequently as other hardware, but the methods used for hardware control negate the possability of ever writing a Vista compliant driver. Many people have problems with similar hardware or software that simply won't ever work on Vista. On a new PC it's great, on a custom built PC with high end hardware it's hit-and-miss with some issues, on an old PC it's slow (but that last one is understandable). I've been running it dice build 1012, and it's evolved nicely and can be forced compatibe with most hardware and almost all software, however the methods used to force compatability vary greatly from one product to the next. It's never quite as easy as enabling comapatbility mode.

[greywolf79]

Originally Posted by Darky12

possible to install the xp on a windows vista pc?

As long as you can get the drivers it can be done... I have a similar system to the machine in the original post (just a little slower cpu, little less ram, and vista basic for the os)... I chose instead to dual boot right now with ubuntu linux and when I am finished migrating to linux I will ditch vista all together. I am just having issues running the shard on it though, out of the box the system ran the UO client of mondain's legacy...

GreyWolf.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Arkryal

I was unaware of a boot.ini tweak, (haven't played with that file since Win95, completely forgot it existed) It sounds like a helpful trick. I'll look into it, Thanks for the info. As for your comments on Vista, I aggree parttially. I prefer it to XP, and there is a very noticable spped increse over XP, but it doesn't play well with old hardware. I have an $800 Turtle Beach soundcard that it doesn't support. A quality soundcard leaves no incentive to upgrade as frequently as other hardware, but the methods used for hardware control negate the possability of ever writing a Vista compliant driver. Many people have problems with similar hardware or software that simply won't ever work on Vista. On a new PC it's great, on a custom built PC with high end hardware it's hit-and-miss with some issues, on an old PC it's slow (but that last one is understandable). I've been running it dice build 1012, and it's evolved nicely and can be forced compatibe with most hardware and almost all software, however the methods used to force compatability vary greatly from one product to the next. It's never quite as easy as enabling comapatbility mode.

XP didnt play well with old hardware.....

[b0b01]

Originally Posted by Jeff

Actually its simple to boot Vista after you install XP, you juts modify C:\boot.ini.... In addition Vista is highly stable, I've been using it here at home, and at work for over 6 months without issue. How come no one remembers how unstable and shitty XP was when it came out?.... now its suddenly the best OS ever....

I think everyone remembers, but the truth remain that a fully developed with most bugs ironed out OS is better than a newer but with bugs included OS. I mean many people also run older pcs why put vista on it instead of just keeping xp.

I mean i only switched to xp when it was more than one and a half year 0ld (and i could get a cheap copy with a student license).

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by b0b01

I think everyone remembers, but the truth remain that a fully developed with most bugs ironed out OS is better than a newer but with bugs included OS. I mean many people also run older pcs why put vista on it instead of just keeping xp.

I mean i only switched to xp when it was more than one and a half year 0ld (and i could get a cheap copy with a student license).

I agree with this, and that is exactly my point. Everyone says its a POS, and they say XP is way better... but XP sucked balls when it first came out too.

anyway, watch this The "Mojave Experiment" This is exactly what I mean, no one makes their own mind up anymore.

[XenoNeo]

The only way i can imagine having a problem is if the copy of Vista is illegal and it is like of the beta to Jan 2008 release... No clue. I've read into that on another forum about people downloading Vista illegally and not being able to use certain programs because of not being able to update Vista.