Opinions On Machine Vs. Playerbase? - RunUO

Underdog · 08-19-2008, 12:21 PM

Okay, so I've been building servers since back before RunUO.....but I've just now decided to take it serious and make a good production shard. I went and bought a new PC just for it. I'm expecting to receive players slowly (I have thus far as means of advertising have slimmed now), just wondering if this machine will be able to handle a playerbase of around 400 players online? I'm very experienced with small shards, just never have had a playerbase of more than 50 players on at once. Give me your opinions?

System

Pentium Quad Core @2.66 Ghtz

6 Gig DDR2 Ram

10mb/sec Connection Speed

RunUO Rc2 - With 5 players online, it saves at 0.1ms

Anyways, any ideas of the max I can handle? Opinions anyways?

Thanks!

peregost · 08-19-2008, 12:25 PM

Honestly...I'd say 2-3 servers with 500+ players on each(one computer), yeah It could support it if It was on a 100Mbit connection.

Underdog · 08-19-2008, 12:32 PM

wow....over did it I guess haha.

I doubt I'll ever get 400 players on, but that is my long-term goal

Thanks!

peregost · 08-19-2008, 12:35 PM

No problem at least to say, a Quad core with 6 gigs of ram will support about anything. .:cheers:.

HellRazor · 08-19-2008, 12:59 PM

That system will be more than sufficient. Probably even overkill. As long as the bandwidth and latency is good that is.

Underdog · 08-19-2008, 05:03 PM

Great

I went ahead and released my other shard as well then, and it all seems to be working great thus far, thank you both for your help

BTW, second shard is empty world, just Death Match Auto Rez that sort of thing, so LOW item count and 0.0ms saves so far with both running w00t.

I won't mention the names - moderators, this is not an advertisement

Thanks again guys

HellRazor · 08-19-2008, 05:56 PM

No problem! If there is a bottleneck, it will be with the bandwidth. 500 players online can suck a lot of bandwidth, especially if all the players are standing close to each other, like at the bank (because it will multiply the amount of data that needs to be sent to each client).

But you should be fine, the hardware is great. If you start seeing any bottlenecks as the player base grows its probably a bandwidth issue. But chances are good that you'll never need more than what you have here.

Underdog · 08-19-2008, 06:06 PM

Yea, I don't imagine I'll ever get 400 players, well maybe on my deathmatch server. It's nothing like it use to be haha I remember I could throw up a server and have like 30 people on in an hour!

*Remembers the good ol' days*

ack-sync-request · 08-19-2008, 09:41 PM

I'm curious how you managed to overclock that pentium to 10GHz. That's a serious good overclock if that's actually running stable. What kind of cooling are you using and what temp does it run at?

I'm the king of overkill though.

Quad xeon 2.8Ghz (well 2x2core) 2GB of ram, 3000GB bandwidth, and 100mbps... for a shard that has yet to get over 50 online at once. woot.

FingersMcSteal · 08-20-2008, 01:01 AM

I seriously doubt it's running at 10Ghz, If you could get it that fast it won't last long enough to get your 400 players before burning it'self out. I think the best to date i've heard of is around 4-5Ghz and stable and 2.66Ghz x 4 (because it's a quad cord) doesn't quite work that way.

Be interesting to get the full spec's on it or a picture even ???

b0b01 · 08-20-2008, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ack-sync-request

I'm curious how you managed to overclock that pentium to 10GHz. That's a serious good overclock if that's actually running stable. What kind of cooling are you using and what temp does it run at?

he didn't he just multiplied 2.66 by 4

anyway this server is way too much for a starting shard.

Underdog · 08-20-2008, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FingersMcSteal

I seriously doubt it's running at 10Ghz, If you could get it that fast it won't last long enough to get your 400 players before burning it'self out. I think the best to date i've heard of is around 4-5Ghz and stable and 2.66Ghz x 4 (because it's a quad cord) doesn't quite work that way.

Be interesting to get the full spec's on it or a picture even ???

All I know its quad core @2.66 each, as pictured below

FingersMcSteal · 08-20-2008, 02:56 PM

I have something like this too...

Although it's not running at 9.6Ghz, only 2.4Ghz.

If your into this sort of thing tho try reading up about it here...

How to Overclock a PC - wikiHow

Did a bit of reading today on the subject, seems some have reached 8.2Ghz but the cooling required gets silly, unless you have some liquid nitrogen around the house.

Underdog · 08-20-2008, 03:05 PM

Thanks for the info

ack-sync-request · 08-20-2008, 06:33 PM

Ohhh I see, he just added it up. If thats the case, then I may as well brag too. :P

Code:

[root@shared1 ~]#
[root@shared1 ~]#
[root@shared1 ~]# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 2
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
stepping        : 9
cpu MHz         : 2799.312
cache size      : 512 KB
physical id     : 0
siblings        : 2
core id         : 0
cpu cores       : 1
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
bogomips        : 5600.93

processor       : 1
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 2
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
stepping        : 9
cpu MHz         : 2799.312
cache size      : 512 KB
physical id     : 0
siblings        : 2
core id         : 0
cpu cores       : 1
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
bogomips        : 5597.61

processor       : 2
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 2
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
stepping        : 9
cpu MHz         : 2799.312
cache size      : 512 KB
physical id     : 3
siblings        : 2
core id         : 0
cpu cores       : 1
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
bogomips        : 5597.65

processor       : 3
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 2
model name      : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz
stepping        : 9
cpu MHz         : 2799.312
cache size      : 512 KB
physical id     : 3
siblings        : 2
core id         : 0
cpu cores       : 1
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
bogomips        : 5597.65

[root@shared1 ~]#
[root@shared1 ~]# uptime
 17:33:58 up 125 days, 21:41,  1 user,  load average: 0.10, 0.13, 0.13
[root@shared1 ~]#

The VM the shard is in only has 2 CPUs though. :P Eventually I want to convert my shard to run natively in Linux/Mono so I don't need to virtualize.

Radwen · 08-21-2008, 02:07 AM

Keep your e-penises in your pants. Some kids out there have 4x more powerful desktops that they use for nothing else than dumb witted gaming.

Underdog · 08-21-2008, 03:04 AM

I was just asking opinions on a playerbase lol and it turned into show and tell haha

Let's end this here, I've got a good idea on what I can handle!

Thanks for everyones information!

Anti-Basic · 08-21-2008, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radwen

Keep your e-penises in your pants. Some kids out there have 4x more powerful desktops that they use for nothing else than dumb witted gaming.

not to mention faking e-penis size by adding cores together as if they were a single freq.

HellRazor · 08-21-2008, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Basic

not to mention faking e-penis size by adding cores together as if they were a single freq.

That's sort of like having 4 guys in the same room holding hands, each of them with a 4 inch penis.

And then one of them says "hey dudes, I rule! Check out my massive 16 inch penis!"

Midnightdragon · 08-21-2008, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellRazor

That system will be more than sufficient. Probably even overkill. As long as the bandwidth and latency is good that is.

That is exactly my thought any quad core machine with a lot of ram in it should handle it nicely but the bandwidth is where you run into problems. I would suggest upgrading the speed of your connection as needed. If you start getting lag complaints up your internet connection to handle it. I am on a 10mbit connection here and with 4 machines online playing any given game you start to notice small amounts of lag so you will probably start noticing the bandwidth being an issue once you get more than 50 players on your shard.

Oh yes to clear up any misunderstandings about multi core processors. They do NOT run at a combined speed. you are running at 2.66Ghz per core but even if all 4 cores handle a single process they are running at 2.66Ghz in speed you notice a change in how fast the process is handled because the load is split but there is no method to clock the combined effort of all 4 cores on a single process. So what they clock is each core separately.

monnie · 08-22-2008, 02:22 AM

WOW! Overdid it just a tad doncha think lol! A commoder computer can run a UO server

Well you get my point hehe.

Anyway, nice piece gotta wonder what you are using for your gaming pc. Well my PC was a beast when I built it 2 months ago but you know how that goes it's now considered ancient by technology speed's standards.

Underdog · 08-22-2008, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anti-Basic

not to mention faking e-penis size by adding cores together as if they were a single freq.

It's not faking size if you don't know any better......
As I said I'm not too hardware savvy.

Maybe that's how you "help" people?

lol....put them down for not knowing better.

Radwen · 08-23-2008, 12:11 AM

If you meant "to put down" in the same way we put dogs down, I'm up for it.

HellRazor · 08-23-2008, 01:38 PM

AB's just jokin wit ya U-Dog.

And Radwen...well, he's just Radwen. He can't help it.

Anti-Basic · 08-23-2008, 06:58 PM

Man I'm just so mean.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underdog

As I said I'm not too hardware savvy.

Where?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underdog

Okay, so I've been building servers since back before RunUO

there?

08-19-2008, 12:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	Opinions On Machine Vs. Playerbase? Okay, so I've been building servers since back before RunUO.....but I've just now decided to take it serious and make a good production shard. I went and bought a new PC just for it. I'm expecting to receive players slowly (I have thus far as means of advertising have slimmed now), just wondering if this machine will be able to handle a playerbase of around 400 players online? I'm very experienced with small shards, just never have had a playerbase of more than 50 players on at once. Give me your opinions? System Pentium Quad Core @2.66 Ghtz 6 Gig DDR2 Ram 10mb/sec Connection Speed RunUO Rc2 - With 5 players online, it saves at 0.1ms Anyways, any ideas of the max I can handle? Opinions anyways? Thanks! Last edited by Underdog; 08-22-2008 at 09:21 PM.

08-19-2008, 12:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
peregost Forum Novice Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 273	Honestly...I'd say 2-3 servers with 500+ players on each(one computer), yeah It could support it if It was on a 100Mbit connection. __________________ A renaissance era server.

08-19-2008, 12:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
peregost Forum Novice Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 273	No problem at least to say, a Quad core with 6 gigs of ram will support about anything. .:cheers:. __________________ A renaissance era server.

08-19-2008, 12:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
HellRazor Forum Expert Join Date: Oct 2002 Age: 45 Posts: 4,363	That system will be more than sufficient. Probably even overkill. As long as the bandwidth and latency is good that is. __________________

08-19-2008, 05:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
HellRazor Forum Expert Join Date: Oct 2002 Age: 45 Posts: 4,363	No problem! If there is a bottleneck, it will be with the bandwidth. 500 players online can suck a lot of bandwidth, especially if all the players are standing close to each other, like at the bank (because it will multiply the amount of data that needs to be sent to each client). But you should be fine, the hardware is great. If you start seeing any bottlenecks as the player base grows its probably a bandwidth issue. But chances are good that you'll never need more than what you have here. __________________

08-19-2008, 12:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	wow....over did it I guess haha. I doubt I'll ever get 400 players on, but that is my long-term goal Thanks!

08-19-2008, 05:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	Great I went ahead and released my other shard as well then, and it all seems to be working great thus far, thank you both for your help BTW, second shard is empty world, just Death Match Auto Rez that sort of thing, so LOW item count and 0.0ms saves so far with both running w00t. I won't mention the names - moderators, this is not an advertisement Thanks again guys

08-19-2008, 06:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	Yea, I don't imagine I'll ever get 400 players, well maybe on my deathmatch server. It's nothing like it use to be haha I remember I could throw up a server and have like 30 people on in an hour! Remembers the good ol' days __________________ "www.insanitry.com"

08-19-2008, 09:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
ack-sync-request Account Terminated Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: /dev/urandom Posts: 88	I'm curious how you managed to overclock that pentium to 10GHz. That's a serious good overclock if that's actually running stable. What kind of cooling are you using and what temp does it run at? I'm the king of overkill though. Quad xeon 2.8Ghz (well 2x2core) 2GB of ram, 3000GB bandwidth, and 100mbps... for a shard that has yet to get over 50 online at once. woot.

08-20-2008, 01:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
FingersMcSteal Forum Novice Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North East, England, UK Posts: 862	I seriously doubt it's running at 10Ghz, If you could get it that fast it won't last long enough to get your 400 players before burning it'self out. I think the best to date i've heard of is around 4-5Ghz and stable and 2.66Ghz x 4 (because it's a quad cord) doesn't quite work that way. Be interesting to get the full spec's on it or a picture even ??? __________________ We can be found on joinUO.com or listUO.com, come try us out.

08-20-2008, 02:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
FingersMcSteal Forum Novice Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North East, England, UK Posts: 862	I have something like this too... Although it's not running at 9.6Ghz, only 2.4Ghz. If your into this sort of thing tho try reading up about it here... How to Overclock a PC - wikiHow Did a bit of reading today on the subject, seems some have reached 8.2Ghz but the cooling required gets silly, unless you have some liquid nitrogen around the house. __________________ We can be found on joinUO.com or listUO.com, come try us out.

08-20-2008, 03:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	Thanks for the info __________________ "www.insanitry.com"

08-21-2008, 02:07 AM	#16 (permalink)
Radwen Master of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 22 Posts: 11,653	Keep your e-penises in your pants. Some kids out there have 4x more powerful desktops that they use for nothing else than dumb witted gaming. __________________ -Socks are great. Ask Radwen. http://www.runuo.com/forums/starbucks-runuo-com/76473-ask-radwen.html

08-21-2008, 03:04 AM	#17 (permalink)
Underdog Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 25 Posts: 65	I was just asking opinions on a playerbase lol and it turned into show and tell haha Let's end this here, I've got a good idea on what I can handle! Thanks for everyones information! __________________ "www.insanitry.com"

08-22-2008, 02:22 AM	#21 (permalink)
monnie Lurker Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Age: 29 Posts: 11	WOW! Overdid it just a tad doncha think lol! A commoder computer can run a UO server Well you get my point hehe. Anyway, nice piece gotta wonder what you are using for your gaming pc. Well my PC was a beast when I built it 2 months ago but you know how that goes it's now considered ancient by technology speed's standards.

08-23-2008, 12:11 AM	#23 (permalink)
Radwen Master of the Internet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 22 Posts: 11,653	If you meant "to put down" in the same way we put dogs down, I'm up for it. __________________ -Socks are great. Ask Radwen. http://www.runuo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76473

08-23-2008, 01:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
HellRazor Forum Expert Join Date: Oct 2002 Age: 45 Posts: 4,363	AB's just jokin wit ya U-Dog. And Radwen...well, he's just Radwen. He can't help it. __________________