RunUO C++ or C+ - RunUO

tagno25 · 02-25-2007, 02:41 PM

I am wondering what it would take to make RunUO run under C++ or C+ without needing any external files/programs (like the .NET framework)

I would like to keep the coding of the non-core scripts the same.

mordero · 02-25-2007, 03:34 PM

Im pretty sure that wouldnt be possible unless you were able to write something to convert those scripts, but I am 99.9999% sure that its not possible

HellRazor · 02-25-2007, 05:16 PM

You'd have to re-write so much of it (to include writing some type of C# interpreter for C++) that you'd be better off starting from scratch.

If you want to play around with a C++ UO emulator, take a look at UOX3. (Yes, it's still around!) or Wolfpack.

Anti-Basic · 02-27-2007, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tagno25

I am wondering what it would take to make RunUO run under C++ or C+ without needing any external files/programs (like the .NET framework)

I would like to keep the coding of the non-core scripts the same.

krrios.

But I think he's busy, so you're sol. (Also, he evidently prefers C#, and prob wouldn't do this for free)

ZixThree · 02-27-2007, 08:14 PM

Converting C# code to C++ is a daunting task.

First, there is the lack of memory management (ie garbage collector) in C++. At least, nothing native to C++. Perhaps with some specialized library there could be something to be done.

Second, most of the Converting C# code to C++ is a daunting task.

First, there is the lack of memory management (ie garbage collector) in C++. At least, nothing native to C++. Perhaps with some specialized library there could be something to be done.

Second, the .Net framework contains an enormous number of different features which would need to be emulated or re-coded (independently of the .Net framework flavour, ie Mono or Microsoft).

Third, it would be easier to have a concise and useful answer if we knew the context. Because, porting C# code to C++ is not really useful in and out of itself.

Fourth, a lot of construct are C# specific. Some equivalence exist in C++ but not everything. For an example, I haven't seen a reflection utility in C++ except for the part in System.Reflection in .Net. Also, building a virtual machine for the scripts is in some way what the Mono project is about.

RunUO doesn't have unconsidered dependencies. Even if the choice of using .Net was made way back, other options sure were considered and rejected at that time. Also, except for computer with win9x-me, most computer can run RunUO to some extent using Mono or .Net Framework. For computer on windows, newer version of windows are already packaged with .Net...

In conclusion, more details on the why we would want to convert RunUO to C++ might be a good thing. That way, we could perhaps propose alternatives to your problem beside converting which would be less time consuming or just plain better.

ZixThree

noobie · 02-28-2007, 01:27 AM

yea, they are right.

I would convert it to Java instead

It would take just a few months with a good team, hehe

ZixThree · 02-28-2007, 06:37 PM

I still don't understand why you would want to convert it to Java or any other language there is. I mean, as a programmer, I would prefer wasting my time elsewhere.

I am really curious about the reasons you would like to convert it to another language.

With Mono project on the way, I don't see any reason, but I may be wrong and would really like to be enlighten if need be.

ZixThree

mordero · 02-28-2007, 06:39 PM

noobie wasnt the one originally asking and im pretty sure he was just kidding

noobie · 03-01-2007, 01:51 AM

sure I was, runuo is a great software as it is.

Courageous · 03-01-2007, 01:29 PM

These "port to my favorite language" threads are always utterly pointless. Won't happen. No one will ever do it.

C//

noobie · 03-02-2007, 01:32 AM

naaa, thats not "port to my favorite language", that would be "port to best one"

Courageous · 03-02-2007, 11:00 AM

Suuuurely, dahling, you're not implying that my favorite language isn't the best one???!?!?

Looks balefully at ban button.

Clicks "ban noobie".

WTF?! Who took away my mod powers??!?

C//

02-25-2007, 02:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
tagno25 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 20 Posts: 80	RunUO C++ or C+ I am wondering what it would take to make RunUO run under C++ or C+ without needing any external files/programs (like the .NET framework) I would like to keep the coding of the non-core scripts the same.

02-25-2007, 03:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
mordero Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 21 Posts: 2,911	Im pretty sure that wouldnt be possible unless you were able to write something to convert those scripts, but I am 99.9999% sure that its not possible __________________ Useful links (Use them or die in a fire!!!): Ultimate Little Guide, C# Tutorials & Docs, RunUO Basic Scripts, Run UO How to..., Configure server for connections, Scripting for Dummies, Common Problem Solutions, FAQ Forum, RunUO Wiki, Basic Generics, Xml Tutorial

02-28-2007, 01:27 AM	#6 (permalink)
noobie Forum Expert Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Istanbul/Turkey Age: 27 Posts: 425	yea, they are right. I would convert it to Java instead It would take just a few months with a good team, hehe __________________ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it."

02-28-2007, 06:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
mordero Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 21 Posts: 2,911	noobie wasnt the one originally asking and im pretty sure he was just kidding __________________ Useful links (Use them or die in a fire!!!): Ultimate Little Guide, C# Tutorials & Docs, RunUO Basic Scripts, Run UO How to..., Configure server for connections, Scripting for Dummies, Common Problem Solutions, FAQ Forum, RunUO Wiki, Basic Generics, Xml Tutorial

03-01-2007, 01:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
noobie Forum Expert Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Istanbul/Turkey Age: 27 Posts: 425	sure I was, runuo is a great software as it is. __________________ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it."

02-25-2007, 05:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
HellRazor Forum Expert Join Date: Oct 2002 Age: 45 Posts: 4,327	You'd have to re-write so much of it (to include writing some type of C# interpreter for C++) that you'd be better off starting from scratch. If you want to play around with a C++ UO emulator, take a look at UOX3. (Yes, it's still around!) or Wolfpack.

02-27-2007, 08:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
ZixThree Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Shawinigan, Québec, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 344	Converting C# code to C++ is a daunting task. First, there is the lack of memory management (ie garbage collector) in C++. At least, nothing native to C++. Perhaps with some specialized library there could be something to be done. Second, most of the Converting C# code to C++ is a daunting task. First, there is the lack of memory management (ie garbage collector) in C++. At least, nothing native to C++. Perhaps with some specialized library there could be something to be done. Second, the .Net framework contains an enormous number of different features which would need to be emulated or re-coded (independently of the .Net framework flavour, ie Mono or Microsoft). Third, it would be easier to have a concise and useful answer if we knew the context. Because, porting C# code to C++ is not really useful in and out of itself. Fourth, a lot of construct are C# specific. Some equivalence exist in C++ but not everything. For an example, I haven't seen a reflection utility in C++ except for the part in System.Reflection in .Net. Also, building a virtual machine for the scripts is in some way what the Mono project is about. RunUO doesn't have unconsidered dependencies. Even if the choice of using .Net was made way back, other options sure were considered and rejected at that time. Also, except for computer with win9x-me, most computer can run RunUO to some extent using Mono or .Net Framework. For computer on windows, newer version of windows are already packaged with .Net... In conclusion, more details on the why we would want to convert RunUO to C++ might be a good thing. That way, we could perhaps propose alternatives to your problem beside converting which would be less time consuming or just plain better. ZixThree

02-28-2007, 06:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
ZixThree Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Shawinigan, Québec, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 344	I still don't understand why you would want to convert it to Java or any other language there is. I mean, as a programmer, I would prefer wasting my time elsewhere. I am really curious about the reasons you would like to convert it to another language. With Mono project on the way, I don't see any reason, but I may be wrong and would really like to be enlighten if need be. ZixThree

03-01-2007, 01:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Courageous Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,824	These "port to my favorite language" threads are always utterly pointless. Won't happen. No one will ever do it. C//

03-02-2007, 01:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
noobie Forum Expert Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Istanbul/Turkey Age: 27 Posts: 425	naaa, thats not "port to my favorite language", that would be "port to best one" __________________ "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it."

03-02-2007, 11:00 AM	#12 (permalink)
Courageous Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,824	Suuuurely, dahling, you're not implying that my favorite language isn't the best one???!?!? Looks balefully at ban button. Clicks "ban noobie". WTF?! Who took away my mod powers??!? C//

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