Is razor detectible with new 3rd party deted code in 4.0.4a? - RunUO

schweppes · 09-05-2004, 03:59 PM

Subject says. It DOES detect easyuo and causes a client crash

Phantom · 09-05-2004, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schweppes

Subject says. It DOES detect easyuo and causes a client crash

No

Razor does not modify any of the packets so it couldn't be detected. EasyUO is allowed on OSI thats just the fact it needs to be updated.

At most Razor will need to be adjusted to work.

**Zippy** · 09-09-2004, 10:24 AM

I've never heard of this... Can someone give me a link where I can read about it....

Or is it just a stupid rumor?

mr_wuss · 09-09-2004, 08:55 PM

stupid rumor.

easyuo works the same way razor does, sending key strokes and VALID commands to the client, it NEVER interupts or changes the data stream.

r00ted · 09-09-2004, 10:28 PM

So is this new anti cheat system for real? I dont play OSI, only RunUO servers...hehe.

Phantom · 09-09-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by r00ted

So is this new anti cheat system for real? I dont play OSI, only RunUO servers...hehe.

Razor and Easy UO isn't cheating.

Yes its true, was in their patch notes i believe.

**Zippy** · 09-10-2004, 03:59 AM

Yes it's true. I did some reading, and apparently its mostly targeted towards EasyUO blocking (which it did block, for about 10 seconds until easyuo released a new version.. duh). So far as I can tell it does not affect razor at all. I've run it around with 4.0.4a all day and had no problems... And I haven't had reports of any problems.

I did however notice a signifigant increase in the time it takes the client to start, I believe (but not sure) this is the client "scanning its memory" to detect 3rd party programs. Supposedly if it finds one its supposed to crash itself like 60 seconds later.

I think its pretty hillarious that OSI would actually make their program crash on purpose. Havent they ever heard of a message box saying "dont hack our shit" or something? wtf?

Kethinov · 09-12-2004, 04:20 AM

Hahah, yeah that is funny.

That and if they actually took the time to properly code their client then people like you woldn't have to code third party tools to do the work OSI is too incompetent to do. UO is unplayable without Razor.

pkostadinov · 09-15-2004, 08:52 AM

Today after patching 3d client to version 4-0-4b2, when run with Razor (b17), client hangs on Logging Into Shard

When client is run by No_Crypt_Client (UORise) it plays normaly. 2d version don't have problems with Razor i think.
I'm playing on RunUO shard ... any ideas?

schweppes · 09-16-2004, 03:19 PM

what they sem to be doing is looking for anything in their client memory that has changed from what the client SHOULD have. So as long as everything you do you can do in game, then they shouldn't be able to find it (at least for now).

**Zippy** · 09-17-2004, 03:47 PM

afaik Razor doesnt alter client memory in any signifigant way they could detect unless you have Pre-AOS status bar on, which you shouldnt have on if you are playing AOS anyways :-)

Kylau · 09-17-2004, 07:05 PM

I asked on the UOStratics forum if UOAssist was still allowed on OSI shards and they said that it was... It seems to be the same as the debates from Microsoft about open source software, If you dont have to pay for it, then its bad...

09-05-2004, 03:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
schweppes Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11	Is razor detectible with new 3rd party deted code in 4.0.4a? Subject says. It DOES detect easyuo and causes a client crash

09-09-2004, 10:24 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	I've never heard of this... Can someone give me a link where I can read about it.... Or is it just a stupid rumor? __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

09-09-2004, 08:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
mr_wuss baby jesus is crying Join Date: May 2004 Age: 27 Posts: 439	stupid rumor. easyuo works the same way razor does, sending key strokes and VALID commands to the client, it NEVER interupts or changes the data stream. __________________ Silver Mist A more mature Shard for people who hate neon BS and 12 year old admins. Swear: “Jesus Christ! That guy is fat!” Prayer: “Jesus Christ! That guy is fat! Please help him find an stationary bike he can fit on. Amen.”

09-10-2004, 03:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	Yes it's true. I did some reading, and apparently its mostly targeted towards EasyUO blocking (which it did block, for about 10 seconds until easyuo released a new version.. duh). So far as I can tell it does not affect razor at all. I've run it around with 4.0.4a all day and had no problems... And I haven't had reports of any problems. I did however notice a signifigant increase in the time it takes the client to start, I believe (but not sure) this is the client "scanning its memory" to detect 3rd party programs. Supposedly if it finds one its supposed to crash itself like 60 seconds later. I think its pretty hillarious that OSI would actually make their program crash on purpose. Havent they ever heard of a message box saying "dont hack our shit" or something? wtf? __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

09-15-2004, 08:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
pkostadinov Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 4	problem Today after patching 3d client to version 4-0-4b2, when run with Razor (b17), client hangs on Logging Into Shard When client is run by No_Crypt_Client (UORise) it plays normaly. 2d version don't have problems with Razor i think. I'm playing on RunUO shard ... any ideas?

09-09-2004, 10:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
r00ted Forum Expert Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Age: 24 Posts: 509	So is this new anti cheat system for real? I dont play OSI, only RunUO servers...hehe.

09-12-2004, 04:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kethinov Forum Novice Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 188	Hahah, yeah that is funny. That and if they actually took the time to properly code their client then people like you woldn't have to code third party tools to do the work OSI is too incompetent to do. UO is unplayable without Razor.

09-16-2004, 03:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
schweppes Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11	what they sem to be doing is looking for anything in their client memory that has changed from what the client SHOULD have. So as long as everything you do you can do in game, then they shouldn't be able to find it (at least for now).

09-17-2004, 03:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	afaik Razor doesnt alter client memory in any signifigant way they could detect unless you have Pre-AOS status bar on, which you shouldnt have on if you are playing AOS anyways :-) __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

09-17-2004, 07:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kylau Newbie Join Date: May 2004 Age: 22 Posts: 50	I asked on the UOStratics forum if UOAssist was still allowed on OSI shards and they said that it was... It seems to be the same as the debates from Microsoft about open source software, If you dont have to pay for it, then its bad...

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