question about the light levels - RunUO

Lord_Greywolf · 11-05-2006, 02:41 PM

Zippy, is there a way to have razor not override the light levels - from the shard side, besides not allowing razor?

that is the only exploit that I see in razor - is that they can set it to ignor the light levels, thus basicaly removing the need for darkvision spells, etc etc

also some places, shard owner make it so that it is dark, special lighting schemes, etc for a reason, and this very easiely bypasses that

Lord_Greywolf · 11-08-2006, 02:39 AM

does anyone know if there is a way then?

Kenny164 · 11-08-2006, 02:43 AM

I'm not sure it's possible...

I think razor just drops them packets when they are send from the server, making the client unaware that there was any change at all.

Well, thats just how i think it works :S, sorry.

Joeku · 11-08-2006, 09:48 AM

You can't do anything to prevent this.

Sorry.

Lord_Greywolf · 11-08-2006, 01:08 PM

then that is an exploit in razor then, the only real one that i can find
because dungeon are sapposed to be dark (most are by default) and just regular light cycles through the day, etc
this wipes out the need for nightsight item, scroll, light, etc etc
a big part of the game

maybe i will get lucky and zippy will remove it in the next release

I Cheat · 11-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Greywolf

maybe i will get lucky and zippy will remove it in the next release

I don't see that happening. It seems that 99% of UO players see the light levels as annoying and 1% see light levels as a feature.

Lord_Greywolf · 11-09-2006, 12:40 AM

it may be anoying, but so is dieing in the middle of a dungeon and having to go and get rezed, you do not see razor doing auto rezing

light levels are a part of the game, and needing the other stuff to work around the light levels is an intragrul part of it

r00ted · 11-10-2006, 01:38 PM

people would just modify client.exe.....really, it's a simple fix :P

stimpo · 11-10-2006, 06:45 PM

It is not in any way shape or form an integral part of the game, it is a petty insignificant trivial detail which was not worth implimenting which pisses me off infinately because they have the unadjustable gamma in the application turned so high that even at the darkest there is no problem seeing anything.

Malaperth · 11-10-2006, 06:47 PM

Sounds like your monitor to me. Light levels are quite accurate as I have experienced...

I also have made a Halloween dungeon that is supposed to be dark by design which is not an insignificant detail.

Lord_Greywolf · 11-10-2006, 11:56 PM

when i am in a dungeon with no light of any type - it is dark and can not see anything

and it is has been an intral part of the fantasy gaming world since its conception
dating back before D&D even - chainmail (what D&D was based off of) used infravision/darkvision - dwarves had it, etc so they could see in the dark, humans did not so they needed torches, etc

even the Ultama Game Series (that UO is based off of) used different light levels in it, where the Avatar needed spells/torches/etc to see at night
In one of the games he was able to attach the torch to his backpack sticking up over his head so he had both hands free to do stuff with and still be able to see

Daggerfall, Almost all of the "Official D&D" based ones, Eye of the beholder Series, etc all implamented light levels

So saying:

Quote:

It is not in any way shape or form an integral part of the game, it is a petty insignificant trivial detail which was not worth implimenting

is in no way even close to being accurate

**Zippy** · 11-11-2006, 10:35 AM

You can configure runuo to not send things to client past a certain distance.... sort of like darkvision would work.

Other than that, the client design for lightlevels is simply ineffective. Without razor it is incredibly easy to circumvent this. You can change your monitor brightness, or you can find a simple hack to take light levels completely out of the client.

If Razor did not have this feature, the problem would not disappear.

Lord_Greywolf · 11-11-2006, 02:52 PM

how do i configure runuo to do that from the server side?

stimpo · 11-11-2006, 07:14 PM

laptop LCD, and it is not my monitor, every other program works perfectly fine, but when I launch UO it maxes the gamma, and it does it in a way where it stays maxed after I close the progam until I run another directx app. It does the same thing on several friends systems using normal crt screens. There is only 1 screen I have ever seen it be dark on and on that old POS CRT everything is so dark most games you max the gamma and are blind.

Wario · 11-13-2006, 06:24 PM

don't run fullscreen mode, simple as that.

and BTW, don't remove light levels.

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11-08-2006, 01:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lord_Greywolf Forum Master Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,626	then that is an exploit in razor then, the only real one that i can find because dungeon are sapposed to be dark (most are by default) and just regular light cycles through the day, etc this wipes out the need for nightsight item, scroll, light, etc etc a big part of the game maybe i will get lucky and zippy will remove it in the next release __________________ http://www.AoAUO.com :) ..... Come for the Customs, Play for the Fun. Return to see your new Friends ..... :)

11-09-2006, 12:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lord_Greywolf Forum Master Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,626	it may be anoying, but so is dieing in the middle of a dungeon and having to go and get rezed, you do not see razor doing auto rezing light levels are a part of the game, and needing the other stuff to work around the light levels is an intragrul part of it __________________ http://www.AoAUO.com :) ..... Come for the Customs, Play for the Fun. Return to see your new Friends ..... :)

11-08-2006, 09:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
Joeku Forum Master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: ShatteredSosaria.com Posts: 9,260	You can't do anything to prevent this. Sorry.

11-10-2006, 01:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
r00ted Forum Expert Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Age: 24 Posts: 509	people would just modify client.exe.....really, it's a simple fix :P

11-10-2006, 06:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
stimpo Forum Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7	It is not in any way shape or form an integral part of the game, it is a petty insignificant trivial detail which was not worth implimenting which pisses me off infinately because they have the unadjustable gamma in the application turned so high that even at the darkest there is no problem seeing anything.

11-10-2006, 06:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
Malaperth Master of the Internet Join Date: Oct 2005 Age: 45 Posts: 6,283	Sounds like your monitor to me. Light levels are quite accurate as I have experienced... I also have made a Halloween dungeon that is supposed to be dark by design which is not an insignificant detail.

11-11-2006, 10:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	You can configure runuo to not send things to client past a certain distance.... sort of like darkvision would work. Other than that, the client design for lightlevels is simply ineffective. Without razor it is incredibly easy to circumvent this. You can change your monitor brightness, or you can find a simple hack to take light levels completely out of the client. If Razor did not have this feature, the problem would not disappear. __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

11-11-2006, 02:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Lord_Greywolf Forum Master Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,626	how do i configure runuo to do that from the server side? __________________ http://www.AoAUO.com :) ..... Come for the Customs, Play for the Fun. Return to see your new Friends ..... :)

11-11-2006, 07:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
stimpo Forum Newbie Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7	laptop LCD, and it is not my monitor, every other program works perfectly fine, but when I launch UO it maxes the gamma, and it does it in a way where it stays maxed after I close the progam until I run another directx app. It does the same thing on several friends systems using normal crt screens. There is only 1 screen I have ever seen it be dark on and on that old POS CRT everything is so dark most games you max the gamma and are blind.

11-13-2006, 06:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
Wario Forum Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 65	don't run fullscreen mode, simple as that. and BTW, don't remove light levels.

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