"Queued last target" - RunUO

Matvey · 03-10-2007, 02:06 PM

i like what its doing, but i don't need that message in uo client journal. Because that's the way i might get baned on OSI.

Can you please make on next release an option that will disable that message?

Thanks.

**Zippy** · 03-10-2007, 03:04 PM

That message cannot get you banned.

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Zippy

That message cannot get you banned.

You see, Razor is not allowed on OSI. If administration will somehow know that i'm playing with Razor - they will ban my account.

One of the way for hunting players that use razor - is journal scan. They somehow can read what is inside my game journar.

And what they will find there? Razor: "QLT"

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Matvey

You see, Razor is not allowed on OSI. If administration will somehow know that i'm playing with Razor - they will ban my account.

One of the way for hunting players that use razor - is journal scan. They somehow can read what is inside my game journar.

And what they will find there? Razor: "QLT"

Hmmm... So you want Zippy to change his program in order for you to cheat?

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Malaperth

Hmmm... So you want Zippy to change his program in order for you to cheat?

If you say that razor is a cheat - then yes.

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Matvey

If you say that razor is a cheat - then yes.

Razor is not intended to have much more functionality than the macro system in the client, however, if OSI expressedly forbids Razor, then at the very least, Razor is considered a cheat by OSI, so you are asking Zippy to modify his code to help you cheat.

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Malaperth

Razor is not intended to have much more functionality than the macro system in the client, however, if OSI expressedly forbids Razor, then at the very least, Razor is considered a cheat by OSI, so you are asking Zippy to modify his code to help you cheat.

Let's say that Razor is not the only one UO assistant program. There's still UO Assist - but it's not free. Razor is free. Assist is allowed on OSI (i think you know why), not Razor.

So tell me what is so cheating about Razor and so good about Assist? Money? )

I know why OSI say that Razor is a cheat program. But do you think the same?

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Matvey

Let's say that Razor is not the only one UO assistant program. There's still UO Assist - but it's not free. Razor is free. Assist is allowed on OSI (i think you know why), not Razor.

So tell me what is so cheating about Razor and so good about Assist? Money? )

I know why OSI say that Razor is a cheat program. But do you think the same?

Heh, it doesn't matter at all what I think

It matters what OSI and Zippy think

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Malaperth

Heh, it doesn't matter at all what I think

It matters what OSI and Zippy think

It would not be polite, i think, if i'm from the begining said to you these words.

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Matvey

It would not be polite, i think, if i'm from the begining said to you these words.

True, but my point is that I doubt Zippy will change anything just so you can be more sure of breaking OSI's rules about third party programs.

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Malaperth

True, but my point is that I doubt Zippy will change anything just so you can be more sure of breaking OSI's rules about third party programs.

What about this tread then? )

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 11:01 AM

What about it? That isn't a change.

Matvey · 03-20-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Malaperth

What about it? That isn't a change.

It's about that someone is intrested of people using his software on OSI.

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Matvey

It's about that someone is intrested of people using his software on OSI.

Well, I won't waste any more of your time since I can't answer for Zippy. He'll see this and answer when he can.

mordero · 03-20-2007, 12:14 PM

Thats just so people would stop asking how to connect to OSI using Razor. If you would have read the whole thing, Zippy says he is not responsible if you get banned or whatever. Just because you dont want to fork over the $15 or whatever it is for UO Assist doesnt mean that Zippy should change his program for you (which you got free so you dont really have a say in the matter). Anyways, Ive never even heard of them being able to look at your journal because that is all client side...

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mordero

Thats just so people would ask how to connect to OSI using Razor. If you would have read the whole thing, Zippy says he is not responsible if you get banned or whatever. Just because you dont want to fork over the $15 or whatever it is for UO Assist doesnt mean that Zippy should change his program for you (which you got free so you dont really have a say in the matter). Anyways, Ive never even heard of them being able to look at your journal because that is all client side...

Well, I am sure it is possible, I just doubt they bother.

mordero · 03-20-2007, 02:37 PM

true, but ive not ever heard of them doing it and if it was possible youd think we'd have that ability in runuo as well

Malaperth · 03-20-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mordero

***would stop asking

Is that a polite way of saying "shut up, Mal" ?

mordero · 03-20-2007, 02:42 PM

no its was a fix for a major typo in my last post, but then i decided to fix the type in an edit and actually make a post with something in it

**Zippy** · 03-20-2007, 06:00 PM

There is no such thing as a "Journal Scan" that is a myth. There exists no functionality for the client to send Razor messages to the server (and even if this existed, Razor could just block it). The OSI staff can do a server side scan of all things that you said or that were said around you, but this only covers messages sent to the server. Since Razor messages are never sent to the server there is no way Razor could be detected using this method.

That said, I would like to point out that if such a thing existed I would gladly update Razor to circumvent it. I don't have a lot of qualms about breaking OSI's rules. Why? Because OSI has given UOAssist a free monopoly on the "legal" assistant market. UOAssist is approved "UOPro" software, but OSI since discontinued the UOPro program so it is not possible for Razor to become UOPro.

Currently, I do not know of any way in which OSI can detect players using the most recent version of Razor. I have not heard of anyone getting banned from OSI for using Razor in quite a while. (Though, people don't often tell me when they get banned, and they do not always know why... so that may or may not be a useful metric.)

03-10-2007, 02:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
Matvey Forum Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 21	"Queued last target" i like what its doing, but i don't need that message in uo client journal. Because that's the way i might get baned on OSI. Can you please make on next release an option that will disable that message? Thanks.

03-10-2007, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	That message cannot get you banned. __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

03-20-2007, 11:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Malaperth Master of the Internet Join Date: Oct 2005 Age: 45 Posts: 6,283	What about it? That isn't a change. __________________ Why is it that I'm never as smart as I thought I was yesterday? My vast knowledge is only surpassed by my infinite ignorance. <TheOutkastDev> i might have to hire an assassin to killl mal so that i can jump in front of the bullet and piss on him

03-20-2007, 12:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
mordero Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 22 Posts: 2,911	Thats just so people would stop asking how to connect to OSI using Razor. If you would have read the whole thing, Zippy says he is not responsible if you get banned or whatever. Just because you dont want to fork over the $15 or whatever it is for UO Assist doesnt mean that Zippy should change his program for you (which you got free so you dont really have a say in the matter). Anyways, Ive never even heard of them being able to look at your journal because that is all client side... __________________ Useful links (Use them or die in a fire!!!): Ultimate Little Guide, C# Tutorials & Docs, RunUO Basic Scripts, Run UO How to..., Configure server for connections, Scripting for Dummies, Common Problem Solutions, FAQ Forum, RunUO Wiki, Basic Generics, Xml Tutorial Last edited by mordero; 03-20-2007 at 02:37 PM. Reason: damn typos

03-20-2007, 02:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
mordero Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 22 Posts: 2,911	true, but ive not ever heard of them doing it and if it was possible youd think we'd have that ability in runuo as well __________________ Useful links (Use them or die in a fire!!!): Ultimate Little Guide, C# Tutorials & Docs, RunUO Basic Scripts, Run UO How to..., Configure server for connections, Scripting for Dummies, Common Problem Solutions, FAQ Forum, RunUO Wiki, Basic Generics, Xml Tutorial

03-20-2007, 02:42 PM	#19 (permalink)
mordero Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Illinois, USA Age: 22 Posts: 2,911	no its was a fix for a major typo in my last post, but then i decided to fix the type in an edit and actually make a post with something in it __________________ Useful links (Use them or die in a fire!!!): Ultimate Little Guide, C# Tutorials & Docs, RunUO Basic Scripts, Run UO How to..., Configure server for connections, Scripting for Dummies, Common Problem Solutions, FAQ Forum, RunUO Wiki, Basic Generics, Xml Tutorial

03-20-2007, 06:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,868	There is no such thing as a "Journal Scan" that is a myth. There exists no functionality for the client to send Razor messages to the server (and even if this existed, Razor could just block it). The OSI staff can do a server side scan of all things that you said or that were said around you, but this only covers messages sent to the server. Since Razor messages are never sent to the server there is no way Razor could be detected using this method. That said, I would like to point out that if such a thing existed I would gladly update Razor to circumvent it. I don't have a lot of qualms about breaking OSI's rules. Why? Because OSI has given UOAssist a free monopoly on the "legal" assistant market. UOAssist is approved "UOPro" software, but OSI since discontinued the UOPro program so it is not possible for Razor to become UOPro. Currently, I do not know of any way in which OSI can detect players using the most recent version of Razor. I have not heard of anyone getting banned from OSI for using Razor in quite a while. (Though, people don't often tell me when they get banned, and they do not always know why... so that may or may not be a useful metric.) __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

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