Freezing UO w/ Vista - RunUO

elmor · 05-10-2007, 09:39 PM

Well I checked the forums and couldn't find anything to match this, but if this is already answered, I apologize.

Well basically when I have Ultima Online running if I switch to another window (e.g. Mozilla, Windows Media Player), then when I switch back to UO, UO windows freezes (for those who use Vista it becomes transparent-whitey). It doesn't go away if I wait but as soon as I click on the "Use Smart CPU Reduction" option in the Razor window it unfreezes.

Well I hope I was able to explain the problem, if you want any kind of clarifications please ask and thanks for the help in advance.

Cheers

infotech1 · 05-11-2007, 12:13 PM

I have the same problem and posted about it around a month ago.
Exactly the same symptons and toggling that option unfreezes it.

Very annoying when running two clients.

Tryed a fair few things and nothing seems to fix it.

**Zippy** · 05-11-2007, 05:08 PM

Maybe you should just leave smart cpu reduction turned off?

elmor · 05-12-2007, 02:47 AM

Oh sorry, I didn't exactly specify that.

It doesn't matter if it's on or off, it still freezes. But it unfreezes if you click on it, regardless of if it's checked or not.
And yes it only happens when I try to run multi-client on a server.

**Zippy** · 05-12-2007, 12:23 PM

This sounds like it is really just a Vista incompatability in the client. Since the client was never meant to run multiple instances (and thus Razor allowing you to do so is a bit of a 'hack').

I don't know why toggling smart cpu would cause the client to unfreeze through, that seems to suggest the problem has something to do with UO's crappy I/O loops in sockets (which is what smart cpu reduction interacts with)... But I won't be able to fix this issue because:
1) It is probably pretty complicated and has to down with an underlying flaw in how UO handles socket I/O.
2) This is a flaw in the design of UO and would be very hard to change.
3) The flaw is somehow causing problems in Vista only
4) I donot own Vista, and I really hope to never own it.

elmor · 05-12-2007, 05:47 PM

Well okay than, I guess I have to live with it

Thanks for the replies though, and keep up the good job

Cronus3166 · 05-12-2007, 08:17 PM

I had the same issue, so I checked the UO help forums and actually found the answer

I did this to both my Razor and my UO and its been fine since.

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This game was created before Windows Vista was released. Unfortunately Electronic Arts cannot guarantee compatibility with Windows Vista for all games.

If you are having problems running a game and you think it is related to compatibility with Windows Vista, you can try to get the game to work by running it in Compatibility Mode.

1.
Right-click the game's desktop shortcut icon and choose 'Properties'.
2.
In the Properties Panel, click the 'Compatibility' tab.
3.
Place a check in the 'Compatibility Mode' checkbox.
4.
Select Windows XP (Service Pack 2) in the mode box.
5.
Click 'Apply' to save your changes.

If you did not opt to have a desktop icon installed:

1.
Find the game icon listed in your Games directory.
2.
Right-click on the game and click on 'Customize'. This will bring up the Customize menu.
3.
Select 'Play'.
4.
Select ' Edit'.
5.
This will bring up the Properties screen. Click the 'Compatibility' tab.
6.
Check 'Run in Compatibility Mode' and then choose Windows XP (or whatever operating system the game was designed for).
7.
Press 'Apply' then press 'OK'. You will be back at the customize menu.
8.
Close the customize screen.
9.
Now the game is configured to run in Compatibility Mode.

Please note that this will only make the game run in Compatibility Mode if you click on the shortcut that you set Compatibility Mode for. All other shortcut icons (such as in your Start menu) will have to have these changes made as well.

If the game continues to fail, you may need to edit the run features of the game to override User Account Control features in Windows Vista.

Note: You will be altering Operating System security and Parental Controls when performing the steps below. Please be aware that if you follow these steps, you will need to contact Microsoft for further support.

elmor · 05-13-2007, 01:05 AM

Ah yes, of course. Compatibility mode.
Totally forgot about that..
Well my problem is fixed now, so thanks for the replies everyone and thanks for the solution Cronus3166!

Cheers

05-10-2007, 09:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
elmor Forum Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Freezing UO w/ Vista Well I checked the forums and couldn't find anything to match this, but if this is already answered, I apologize. Well basically when I have Ultima Online running if I switch to another window (e.g. Mozilla, Windows Media Player), then when I switch back to UO, UO windows freezes (for those who use Vista it becomes transparent-whitey). It doesn't go away if I wait but as soon as I click on the "Use Smart CPU Reduction" option in the Razor window it unfreezes. Well I hope I was able to explain the problem, if you want any kind of clarifications please ask and thanks for the help in advance. Cheers

05-11-2007, 05:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,873	Maybe you should just leave smart cpu reduction turned off? __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

05-12-2007, 02:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
elmor Forum Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Oh sorry, I didn't exactly specify that. It doesn't matter if it's on or off, it still freezes. But it unfreezes if you click on it, regardless of if it's checked or not. And yes it only happens when I try to run multi-client on a server. Last edited by elmor; 05-12-2007 at 02:50 AM.

05-12-2007, 12:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,873	This sounds like it is really just a Vista incompatability in the client. Since the client was never meant to run multiple instances (and thus Razor allowing you to do so is a bit of a 'hack'). I don't know why toggling smart cpu would cause the client to unfreeze through, that seems to suggest the problem has something to do with UO's crappy I/O loops in sockets (which is what smart cpu reduction interacts with)... But I won't be able to fix this issue because: 1) It is probably pretty complicated and has to down with an underlying flaw in how UO handles socket I/O. 2) This is a flaw in the design of UO and would be very hard to change. 3) The flaw is somehow causing problems in Vista only 4) I donot own Vista, and I really hope to never own it. __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

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05-11-2007, 12:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
infotech1 Newbie Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 27	I have the same problem and posted about it around a month ago. Exactly the same symptons and toggling that option unfreezes it. Very annoying when running two clients. Tryed a fair few things and nothing seems to fix it.

05-12-2007, 05:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
elmor Forum Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Well okay than, I guess I have to live with it Thanks for the replies though, and keep up the good job

05-12-2007, 08:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cronus3166 Forum Novice Join Date: May 2005 Age: 26 Posts: 126	I had the same issue, so I checked the UO help forums and actually found the answer I did this to both my Razor and my UO and its been fine since. ------------ This game was created before Windows Vista was released. Unfortunately Electronic Arts cannot guarantee compatibility with Windows Vista for all games. If you are having problems running a game and you think it is related to compatibility with Windows Vista, you can try to get the game to work by running it in Compatibility Mode. 1. Right-click the game's desktop shortcut icon and choose 'Properties'. 2. In the Properties Panel, click the 'Compatibility' tab. 3. Place a check in the 'Compatibility Mode' checkbox. 4. Select Windows XP (Service Pack 2) in the mode box. 5. Click 'Apply' to save your changes. If you did not opt to have a desktop icon installed: 1. Find the game icon listed in your Games directory. 2. Right-click on the game and click on 'Customize'. This will bring up the Customize menu. 3. Select 'Play'. 4. Select ' Edit'. 5. This will bring up the Properties screen. Click the 'Compatibility' tab. 6. Check 'Run in Compatibility Mode' and then choose Windows XP (or whatever operating system the game was designed for). 7. Press 'Apply' then press 'OK'. You will be back at the customize menu. 8. Close the customize screen. 9. Now the game is configured to run in Compatibility Mode. Please note that this will only make the game run in Compatibility Mode if you click on the shortcut that you set Compatibility Mode for. All other shortcut icons (such as in your Start menu) will have to have these changes made as well. If the game continues to fail, you may need to edit the run features of the game to override User Account Control features in Windows Vista. Note: You will be altering Operating System security and Parental Controls when performing the steps below. Please be aware that if you follow these steps, you will need to contact Microsoft for further support.

05-13-2007, 01:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
elmor Forum Newbie Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4	Ah yes, of course. Compatibility mode. Totally forgot about that.. Well my problem is fixed now, so thanks for the replies everyone and thanks for the solution Cronus3166! Cheers

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