Save Editor (formerly "New Save Format") - RunUO

Vhaldir · 03-10-2003, 02:49 PM

A different save formatting - something that can be edited...

ZixThree · 03-10-2003, 05:05 PM

I am against a different way of saving things out.

I am in favor of the ability to use a different GenericWriter and GenericReader but this would be very low in the todo list.

But this is only my opinion.

ZixThree

**krrios** · 03-10-2003, 05:24 PM

With GenericReader and GenericWriter, this may already be possible.

Static Loader · 03-10-2003, 07:19 PM

I say keep the system (fast save times) but write a decoder that will let ya edit it and change settings so if you get a corrupt npc or item you can look at it and delete it and not mess your uo up.

I disagree with different worldsave files, but I support a reader of the files!

Vhaldir · 03-10-2003, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Static Loader

I say keep the system (fast save times) but write a decoder that will let ya edit it and change settings so if you get a corrupt npc or item you can look at it and delete it and not mess your uo up.

I disagree with different worldsave files, but I support a reader of the files!

excellent Idea.. I'd prefer this over my suggestion as well

Phantom · 03-10-2003, 07:54 PM

ROFL

You guys relize that if they made it anything but what they have know load times sand save times would turn into a few minutes?

Its very possible to read and write and combine world saves you just have to figure out how. I have done it sort of and no, I won't release it because would confuse alot of people.

Static Loader · 03-10-2003, 09:14 PM

Ya ryan told me how the code does it but I wont say nor do a program to read it. Few reasons, im sure its private and second I dont want to waste my time...

Vhaldir · 03-13-2003, 03:33 PM

Well, I for one would like to see such a program available.. and i'm pretty certain my players would as well.. I'm tired of having to wipe every time something goes wrong and I have to revert to an old save..

Phantom · 03-13-2003, 03:44 PM

Thats why you make backups of your saves. Only takes about 10 lines of code to have it save a backup....

You could do it every 4th save if you wanted.

Trust me its easy.

Vhaldir · 03-13-2003, 07:04 PM

True, but i would still like the option to be able to modify saves...

Spiffy_Z · 03-13-2003, 07:31 PM

yes, this would be a great feature in saves.

Chosen · 03-14-2003, 07:36 PM

I think a program that is able to read and modify the save files would be good feature in the future releases because there are lots of times that a shard admin has to look into the saves and find out the properties of an account like how many characters are in it, and there are times that when an admin has to dig into the old saves and find out the items or the skills of a character in an account because someway somehow that account got corrupted and the player is constantly asking for it back. In my knowledge the only way to tell whether that player is telling lies or the truth is to confirm it from the old and safe saves.

ps: I also tried to open the saves but failed, must be because of my lack of c#and runuo knowledge.

**David** · 03-15-2003, 01:53 AM

A DAT drive and NTBackup. I backup the entire RunUO directory every 6 hours. I can almost fit 6 weeks of that on one tape. Saved me once already.

Vhaldir · 03-15-2003, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

A DAT drive and NTBackup. I backup the entire RunUO directory every 6 hours. I can almost fit 6 weeks of that on one tape. Saved me once already.

I think we're striving for a save modification program now..
and I personally don't want to go buy a tape drive to backup shard saves when I have a huge file server sitting in my computer room for just such a purpose

Chosen · 03-17-2003, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

A DAT drive and NTBackup. I backup the entire RunUO directory every 6 hours. I can almost fit 6 weeks of that on one tape. Saved me once already.

I believe that every admin has some way to backup the data he/she thinks is vital. Backing up the saves or the whole server is not our point.

As I said before in this thread, every admin, someday, needs to look into the saves to find something. Like a player loses his character somehow and he proves that it is his so you have to look into the saves and take out his/her skills and items.

Phantom and some other people told that looking into the saves is possible, even right now, but we have to find it out ourselves. I tried myself without any luck and I believe this is due to my lack of knowledge in both runuo and c#.

I think that an official runuo save reading/modifying program is vital for a server to run. I have never administered a sphere server before but from what I know, it should be something like theirs.

What do RunUO devs think about this issue?

**krrios** · 03-17-2003, 07:09 AM

Hmm, I believe Zippy has/had an out-of-game worldfield viewer/editor, I'll check into it.

Chosen · 03-17-2003, 08:34 AM

Can we read the skills/items that belong to a player with that editor? and Do you have any plans to develop one, just for RunUO that can read every save (account,guild,items,world, and such)?

Ceph · 03-17-2003, 09:46 AM

something like that would be nice for version upgrades (when a playermoble has to be deleted because of an incompatability)

have them remake the char, but copy over the had items, and get the skills they had, makes you a less hated person when you have to do a playerwipe because you like the fetures fo the upgrade (which for this server, happens to be an every upgrade thing)

Wolverana · 03-17-2003, 04:25 PM

Well I'm not experienced in this server to say the very least as of yet lol, not sure I'll get that experienced but I do know one thing. Being able to modify a worldfile is almost a must for some things. I don't know what things will crash this server yet but one thing I know that crashed Sphere servers was colors. Transparent ones to be exact would love to crash the server and guess what? There was almost no other way to get it out of there but to take the server down, find it, and delete it from the world if at all possible unless you could get lucky enough to have to nuke an entire area of your world wherever that color happened to be.

Granted this particular scenario may never happen but there may be other things that crash this server that are basically the same thing? How will we be able to recover from something added or changed in the world that clashes with it if we are unable to actually "get" to it to see where it is, change it or remove it or whatever is necessary?

Will there be some way to do this? If so then great we won't need this option in my opinion but if not I think we're going to need at least some way to get to this information.

Ok that's my 10 cents lol, *goes back to her books to find out more on this server she's intending to change to* lol

Chosen · 03-27-2003, 01:38 PM

does zippy or krrios have anything to say about this since their last post? Maybe the dev team decided to release one official editor? :?:

Vhaldir · 03-27-2003, 02:06 PM

Not thast I've seen/heard..

**Zippy** · 03-27-2003, 03:01 PM

I started an editor a while back, it works and it can edit *most* of the props on items and mobiles... however it's not done, there's no searches or anything....

So it's basically waiting for me or krrios to have time to work on it.

Vhaldir · 03-27-2003, 05:09 PM

Thanks, Zippy

Chosen · 03-28-2003, 05:25 AM

thanks, zippy and krrios!
I hope you find some spare time to work on that.
I will up this post once in a while

Chosen · 04-02-2003, 05:43 AM

up!
any progress?

03-10-2003, 02:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Vhaldir Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oregon, U.S.A. Age: 26 Posts: 1,031	Save Editor (formerly "New Save Format") A different save formatting - something that can be edited... __________________ A reflection upon a pool of water does not reveal its depth. Ventrilo - VOIP chat Come chat with us.. vhaldir.sytes.net:3784

03-13-2003, 03:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Vhaldir Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oregon, U.S.A. Age: 26 Posts: 1,031	Well, I for one would like to see such a program available.. and i'm pretty certain my players would as well.. I'm tired of having to wipe every time something goes wrong and I have to revert to an old save.. __________________ A reflection upon a pool of water does not reveal its depth. Ventrilo - VOIP chat Come chat with us.. vhaldir.sytes.net:3784

03-13-2003, 07:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
Vhaldir Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oregon, U.S.A. Age: 26 Posts: 1,031	True, but i would still like the option to be able to modify saves... __________________ A reflection upon a pool of water does not reveal its depth. Ventrilo - VOIP chat Come chat with us.. vhaldir.sytes.net:3784

03-15-2003, 01:53 AM	#13 (permalink)
David Moderate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,598	A DAT drive and NTBackup. I backup the entire RunUO directory every 6 hours. I can almost fit 6 weeks of that on one tape. Saved me once already. __________________ David Forum Moderator The RunUO.com Forum Moderator Team Forum Rules and Guidelines RunUO Forum Search Engine Download RunUO 2.0 RC2

03-17-2003, 08:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
Chosen Join Date: Nov 2002 Age: 23 Posts: 90	good :) Can we read the skills/items that belong to a player with that editor? and Do you have any plans to develop one, just for RunUO that can read every save (account,guild,items,world, and such)?

03-10-2003, 05:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
ZixThree Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Shawinigan, Québec, Canada Age: 25 Posts: 344	I am against a different way of saving things out. I am in favor of the ability to use a different GenericWriter and GenericReader but this would be very low in the todo list. But this is only my opinion. ZixThree

03-10-2003, 05:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
krrios Forum Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,850	With GenericReader and GenericWriter, this may already be possible.

03-10-2003, 07:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Static Loader Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 630	I say keep the system (fast save times) but write a decoder that will let ya edit it and change settings so if you get a corrupt npc or item you can look at it and delete it and not mess your uo up. I disagree with different worldsave files, but I support a reader of the files!

03-10-2003, 07:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Phantom Account Terminated Join Date: Sep 2002 Age: 26 Posts: 3,846	ROFL You guys relize that if they made it anything but what they have know load times sand save times would turn into a few minutes? Its very possible to read and write and combine world saves you just have to figure out how. I have done it sort of and no, I won't release it because would confuse alot of people.

03-10-2003, 09:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Static Loader Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 630	Ya ryan told me how the code does it but I wont say nor do a program to read it. Few reasons, im sure its private and second I dont want to waste my time...

03-13-2003, 03:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Phantom Account Terminated Join Date: Sep 2002 Age: 26 Posts: 3,846	Thats why you make backups of your saves. Only takes about 10 lines of code to have it save a backup.... You could do it every 4th save if you wanted. Trust me its easy.

03-13-2003, 07:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Spiffy_Z Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Yuba City, CA Age: 21 Posts: 531	yes, this would be a great feature in saves.

03-14-2003, 07:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
Chosen Join Date: Nov 2002 Age: 23 Posts: 90	I think a program that is able to read and modify the save files would be good feature in the future releases because there are lots of times that a shard admin has to look into the saves and find out the properties of an account like how many characters are in it, and there are times that when an admin has to dig into the old saves and find out the items or the skills of a character in an account because someway somehow that account got corrupted and the player is constantly asking for it back. In my knowledge the only way to tell whether that player is telling lies or the truth is to confirm it from the old and safe saves. ps: I also tried to open the saves but failed, must be because of my lack of c#and runuo knowledge.

03-17-2003, 07:09 AM	#16 (permalink)
krrios Forum Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,850	Hmm, I believe Zippy has/had an out-of-game worldfield viewer/editor, I'll check into it.

03-17-2003, 09:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ceph Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 412	something like that would be nice for version upgrades (when a playermoble has to be deleted because of an incompatability) have them remake the char, but copy over the had items, and get the skills they had, makes you a less hated person when you have to do a playerwipe because you like the fetures fo the upgrade (which for this server, happens to be an every upgrade thing)

03-17-2003, 04:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
Wolverana Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 895	Well I'm not experienced in this server to say the very least as of yet lol, not sure I'll get that experienced but I do know one thing. Being able to modify a worldfile is almost a must for some things. I don't know what things will crash this server yet but one thing I know that crashed Sphere servers was colors. Transparent ones to be exact would love to crash the server and guess what? There was almost no other way to get it out of there but to take the server down, find it, and delete it from the world if at all possible unless you could get lucky enough to have to nuke an entire area of your world wherever that color happened to be. Granted this particular scenario may never happen but there may be other things that crash this server that are basically the same thing? How will we be able to recover from something added or changed in the world that clashes with it if we are unable to actually "get" to it to see where it is, change it or remove it or whatever is necessary? Will there be some way to do this? If so then great we won't need this option in my opinion but if not I think we're going to need at least some way to get to this information. Ok that's my 10 cents lol, goes back to her books to find out more on this server she's intending to change to lol

03-27-2003, 01:38 PM	#20 (permalink)
Chosen Join Date: Nov 2002 Age: 23 Posts: 90	any progress? does zippy or krrios have anything to say about this since their last post? Maybe the dev team decided to release one official editor? :?:

03-27-2003, 02:06 PM	#21 (permalink)
Vhaldir Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oregon, U.S.A. Age: 26 Posts: 1,031	Not thast I've seen/heard.. __________________ A reflection upon a pool of water does not reveal its depth. Ventrilo - VOIP chat Come chat with us.. vhaldir.sytes.net:3784

03-27-2003, 03:01 PM	#22 (permalink)
Zippy Administrator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 25 Posts: 4,870	I started an editor a while back, it works and it can edit most of the props on items and mobiles... however it's not done, there's no searches or anything.... So it's basically waiting for me or krrios to have time to work on it. __________________ Zippy, Razor Creator and RunUO Core Developer The RunUO Software Team "Intuition, like a flash of lightning, lasts only for a second. It generally comes when one is tormented by a difficult decipherment and when one reviews in his mind the fruitless experiments already tried. Suddenly the light breaks through and one finds after a few minutes what previous days of labor were unable to reveal." ~The Cryptonomicon

03-27-2003, 05:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
Vhaldir Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oregon, U.S.A. Age: 26 Posts: 1,031	Thanks, Zippy __________________ A reflection upon a pool of water does not reveal its depth. Ventrilo - VOIP chat Come chat with us.. vhaldir.sytes.net:3784

03-28-2003, 05:25 AM	#24 (permalink)
Chosen Join Date: Nov 2002 Age: 23 Posts: 90	thanks, zippy and krrios! I hope you find some spare time to work on that. I will up this post once in a while

04-02-2003, 05:43 AM	#25 (permalink)
Chosen Join Date: Nov 2002 Age: 23 Posts: 90	up! any progress?

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