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Kiwi · 11-18-2006, 09:11 PM

I meant to post this an hour ago but I went out for a bit.

David, yes you are the moderator and you may remove anything you find personally offensive. This is true.

Yet what bothers me is that you are apparently only moderating for yourself. Shouldn't you take into consideration what others may find offensive, whether or not it is publicly apparent? Just because I don't find something offensive doesn't mean nobody else does. And even if you didn't find that image offensive, you could still remove it because someone else might.

I used to post here without having to think before I hit "Submit Reply" and never had an issue... but now this "unmoderated" forum is suddenly becoming more restricting in content. At least, people are more vocal about it now.

Courageous · 11-18-2006, 09:28 PM

Having watched this situation develop for months now, I'll post my opinion:

I agree. This doesn't seem like an "unmoderated" forum to me, and what's worse, we have that little subjective "within reason" clause that seems, from my point of view, to be a clause to be used by the moderators after any bad day at work.

David is just the nicest guy, I can tell from his postings; so cut him a little slack. But I really think this situation is untenable.

Either:

1. They need to stop moderating here, or

2. They need to revise the rules at starbucks.

There was this fellow, a while back, who called out several of the regulars... his tude indicated he was truly a dick. He flamed these three regulars good and proper, albeit not with anything resembling wit, and voila: account terminated. Permanently.

I'm wondering. Do the mods have any idea where and how the electronic term "flame" came about? Anything of its history on usenet? A "good flame" was a page long literary deconstruction of some other person, effective and malicious enough, or satirical enough, to genuinely embarrass and cause very bad feelings.

"flames are permitted" here, or so the forum rules say (I happen to disagree, and think that community flame boards are a drag on any community, but that's not what the rules say!).

I really don't know what the big deal is all about though.

This "flame" forum is extraordarily tame. Prurile? Yes. But basically tame.

C//

Radwen · 11-18-2006, 09:32 PM

I eat peoples hearts.

Bleach · 11-18-2006, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radwen

I eat peoples hearts.

And their feelings ... Jerk.

**David** · 11-18-2006, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi

Yet what bothers me is that you are apparently only moderating for yourself. Shouldn't you take into consideration what others may find offensive, whether or not it is publicly apparent? Just because I don't find something offensive doesn't mean nobody else does. And even if you didn't find that image offensive, you could still remove it because someone else might.

I used to post here without having to think before I hit "Submit Reply" and never had an issue... but now this "unmoderated" forum is suddenly becoming more restricting in content. At least, people are more vocal about it now.

I am reading and rereading your post, and am having problems figuring out what exactly you want me to do. In the first paragraph you seem to be saying I/we don't moderate enough. In the second these forums are too restrictive. Can you please clarify that for me?

I am a bit taken aback by the "forum is suddenly becoming more restricting in content" comment. From what I see Starbucks is chaos run amuck. You and others have pushed boundries far beyond what they have ever been, or I belive intended. The administration has made comments recently reinforcing the "unmoderated" aspect of Starbucks and I have tried to uphold that. But a very few people, yourself included, have managed to make this a place that only people who enjoy sexual inuendos and crude porn can feel at home. Trust me if I were moderating only for myself half the threads here would be gone, or at least half the posts in them.

Bleach · 11-18-2006, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I am reading and rereading your post, and am having problems figuring out what exactly you want me to do. In the first paragraph you seem to be saying I/we don't moderate enough. In the second these forums are too restrictive. Can you please clarify that for me?

I am a bit taken aback by the "forum is suddenly becoming more restricting in content" comment. From what I see Starbucks is chaos run amuck. You and others have pushed boundries far beyond what they have ever been, or I belive intended. The administration has made comments recently reinforcing the "unmoderated" aspect of Starbucks and I have tried to uphold that. But a very few people, yourself included, have managed to make this a place that only people who enjoy sexual inuendos and crude porn can feel at home. Trust me if I were moderating only for myself half the threads here would be gone, or at least half the posts in them.

Personally, I must agree to the point that the forums are getting worse. A lot of the filth here would scare away most users. I find myself that my comments/posts are becoming more and more distasteful. And now that it's being addressed to me, I will tone it down.

Bleach · 11-18-2006, 10:13 PM

Ladies and gentlemen,
I bring to you,
post number
666.
That is all.

Kiwi · 11-18-2006, 10:14 PM

I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just tired and pissed off. My initial and only point is that if you are going to moderate, moderate based on standards and don't pick and choose.

Malaperth · 11-18-2006, 10:16 PM

If ANYONE can truthfully say

Quote:

post here without having to think before I hit "Submit Reply"

there is a problem. Especially if the place the post is going to is specifically intended to be an all-ages group, which RunUO definitely is. Some of the recent content here could actually be actionable in court since all ages are permitted. You may say that is crap, but ANYTHING can be sued for now, and 'pornography' has yet to be even slightly defined and has no business here.

Playful banter (with NO pictures) is NOT actionable, but many of the jpg's posted here are legally classified as XXX and if no attempt is made to restrict access to at the very least over 18, legal action CAN be taken.

Would anyone/anything bother? Who knows... I, personally, since I operated a BBS in 1991 that someone attempted to sue over some MORON's text post for tripleX content, tend to err on the side of caution, let alone what could possibly count as relevant to RunUO.

Radwen · 11-18-2006, 10:31 PM

I consume a lot of fecal matter.

CobaltKitten · 11-19-2006, 12:14 AM

I don't know about the rest of you but I for one was greatful for the " Creative Moderating " in here the other night when our special little Radwen decided to fill the screen with large amounts of bright red caps in a large font. The point here is really fairly moot. Much like true freedom of speech, a totally unmoderated forum is a myth to some degree. Having been a Mod and a GodMod on forums myself I know what a pain it is to do what you know you gotta do and still keep your posters happy. Don't take it out on David kids.. Remeber, he IS just doing his job.

Johabius · 11-19-2006, 12:15 AM

There is only one Return and it's not "of the King", it's "of the Jedi"-Randall Graves, portrayed by Jeff Anderson.
I just saw Clerks 2, and I gotta tell you, it's a very good movie to watch on your birthday especially if you feel that you are at a crossroads in your life.
One of the best movies Kevin Smith has ever written. I can really identify with the characters, especially the Character of Randall.

CobaltKitten · 11-19-2006, 12:27 AM

See?? All pretty and so nice and blue

nifty.jpg

Radwen · 11-19-2006, 12:28 AM

Oooooooooooooooooo.

CobaltKitten · 11-19-2006, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radwen

Oooooooooooooooooo.

Is it not spiffy?

Radwen · 11-19-2006, 12:40 AM

spiffyYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Anti-Basic · 11-19-2006, 12:42 AM

Yes. For a wallpaper w/o nudity anyway.
Hrmm.. You listen to incubus. interesting.

Radwen · 11-19-2006, 12:46 AM

Liesssssssssssssssssssss

serenity lace · 11-19-2006, 12:59 AM

well since i have not put my two scents in i will now. David you are a great guy and a decent moderator. sometimes being both may not seem an easy job. yes this is an"unmoderated forum" but for the sake of the community there should be some simple limits. and truthfully i would hope most of them would be unnecessary to list. use your head. if it will be offensive to a group of people then why post it? i mean we can use our brains here. there are kids in the forums. think about it would anyone really want their teenager to see crap like that? use your heads people...for something other than a hat rack.

Radwen · 11-19-2006, 01:18 AM

I have lived most my life with a serial killer.

Ilutzio · 11-19-2006, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radwen

I have lived most my life with a serial killer.

I'm moving out soon; jeeeze, stop with the nagging allready!

Bleach · 11-19-2006, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ilutzio

I'm moving out soon; jeeeze, stop with the nagging allready!

you can live with me. ill get you a cage next to kiwi's. not as big tho, you need to earn that.

Radwen · 11-19-2006, 02:27 AM

Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ilutzio · 11-19-2006, 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach

you can live with me. ill get you a cage next to kiwi's. not as big tho, you need to earn that.

I want live to in te samma kadjge as Kiwi's!
*The mis-spell virys has struck.*

Kirin-Man · 11-19-2006, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleach

you can live with me. ill get you a cage next to kiwi's. not as big tho, you need to earn that.

...... Freak .........
Ignored.

11-18-2006, 09:32 PM	#1453 (permalink)
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11-18-2006, 10:13 PM	#1457 (permalink)
Bleach Forum Expert Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,413	Ladies and gentlemen, I bring to you, post number 666. That is all. __________________ I Quit

11-18-2006, 10:31 PM	#1460 (permalink)
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11-19-2006, 12:14 AM	#1461 (permalink)
CobaltKitten Forum Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Heck lvl 662.3 Age: 29 Posts: 94	I don't know about the rest of you but I for one was greatful for the " Creative Moderating " in here the other night when our special little Radwen decided to fill the screen with large amounts of bright red caps in a large font. The point here is really fairly moot. Much like true freedom of speech, a totally unmoderated forum is a myth to some degree. Having been a Mod and a GodMod on forums myself I know what a pain it is to do what you know you gotta do and still keep your posters happy. Don't take it out on David kids.. Remeber, he IS just doing his job. __________________ I shall smite thee with yon bovine

11-19-2006, 12:15 AM	#1462 (permalink)
Johabius Forum Expert Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas, USA Age: 38 Posts: 4,964	There is only one Return and it's not "of the King", it's "of the Jedi"-Randall Graves, portrayed by Jeff Anderson. I just saw Clerks 2, and I gotta tell you, it's a very good movie to watch on your birthday especially if you feel that you are at a crossroads in your life. One of the best movies Kevin Smith has ever written. I can really identify with the characters, especially the Character of Randall. __________________ In some cases stupid makes you win-Radwen

11-18-2006, 09:11 PM	#1451 (permalink)
Kiwi Forum Expert Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northeast Ohio Age: 22 Posts: 3,178	I meant to post this an hour ago but I went out for a bit. David, yes you are the moderator and you may remove anything you find personally offensive. This is true. Yet what bothers me is that you are apparently only moderating for yourself. Shouldn't you take into consideration what others may find offensive, whether or not it is publicly apparent? Just because I don't find something offensive doesn't mean nobody else does. And even if you didn't find that image offensive, you could still remove it because someone else might. I used to post here without having to think before I hit "Submit Reply" and never had an issue... but now this "unmoderated" forum is suddenly becoming more restricting in content. At least, people are more vocal about it now.

11-18-2006, 09:28 PM	#1452 (permalink)
Courageous Forum Expert Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,825	Having watched this situation develop for months now, I'll post my opinion: I agree. This doesn't seem like an "unmoderated" forum to me, and what's worse, we have that little subjective "within reason" clause that seems, from my point of view, to be a clause to be used by the moderators after any bad day at work. David is just the nicest guy, I can tell from his postings; so cut him a little slack. But I really think this situation is untenable. Either: 1. They need to stop moderating here, or 2. They need to revise the rules at starbucks. There was this fellow, a while back, who called out several of the regulars... his tude indicated he was truly a dick. He flamed these three regulars good and proper, albeit not with anything resembling wit, and voila: account terminated. Permanently. I'm wondering. Do the mods have any idea where and how the electronic term "flame" came about? Anything of its history on usenet? A "good flame" was a page long literary deconstruction of some other person, effective and malicious enough, or satirical enough, to genuinely embarrass and cause very bad feelings. "flames are permitted" here, or so the forum rules say (I happen to disagree, and think that community flame boards are a drag on any community, but that's not what the rules say!). I really don't know what the big deal is all about though. This "flame" forum is extraordarily tame. Prurile? Yes. But basically tame. C//

11-18-2006, 10:14 PM	#1458 (permalink)
Kiwi Forum Expert Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Northeast Ohio Age: 22 Posts: 3,178	I don't know what I'm saying, I'm just tired and pissed off. My initial and only point is that if you are going to moderate, moderate based on standards and don't pick and choose.

11-19-2006, 12:27 AM	#1463 (permalink)
CobaltKitten Forum Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Heck lvl 662.3 Age: 29 Posts: 94	Fun with windowblinds and objectdock See?? All pretty and so nice and blue nifty.jpg __________________ I shall smite thee with yon bovine

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11-19-2006, 12:59 AM	#1469 (permalink)
serenity lace Forum Expert Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bartlesville Ok Age: 33 Posts: 385	well since i have not put my two scents in i will now. David you are a great guy and a decent moderator. sometimes being both may not seem an easy job. yes this is an"unmoderated forum" but for the sake of the community there should be some simple limits. and truthfully i would hope most of them would be unnecessary to list. use your head. if it will be offensive to a group of people then why post it? i mean we can use our brains here. there are kids in the forums. think about it would anyone really want their teenager to see crap like that? use your heads people...for something other than a hat rack. __________________ http://www.freewebs.com/dragonslairshard

11-19-2006, 01:18 AM	#1470 (permalink)
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11-19-2006, 02:27 AM	#1473 (permalink)
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