Smoking Banned in State of Illinois

[Courageous]

Originally Posted by TMSTKSBK

One could argue that sugar is not good for you...

Your body converts all carbohydrates to sugar. Without sugar, you would not feel well at all, operating at best in a format called "ketogenic metabolism," which isn't particularly recommended by mainstream science. Your brain needs sugar. What your body can't deal with is sudden, repeated, large doses of simple sugar. It will get these large doses from pure sugar, from potatoes, from many fruits, and most bread. If sugar is bad, so are potatoes, many fruits, and most bread... sweetened or unsweetened.

But no. Not so simple. You can eat bread and potatoes in a meal with fats and proteins, in which case the glycemic index of the whole meal is what counts. Such is all that matters, pure sugar included or no.

But never let a few facts intrude on your mother's thinking, mind.

C//

[WarAngel]

Food is bad for you. Stop eating.

[Rosetta]

Originally Posted by Courageous

Food isn't definitively unhealthy. Smoking is.

The basic problem here is the presence of socialized medicine. It's a self-justifying circle. If there is socialized medicine, then you end up with various pick-your-offender-of-the-month as needing legal and tax intervention, like smokers and motorcycle drivers without helmets, and yes drinkers with liver problems, and so forth.

Anyway, I have an idea for you: knock off the smoking.

But while you are smoking, thank you for making my tax burden less.

C//

Wow, from ban/not ban smoking to socialized health-care.

I see the connection, but in the same way I see smoking and teenage drug crimes (kids smoke, then smoke weed, then do heroin... etc) as being related. It's a related topic, but quite a jump over a large chasm to get there. With a lot of things left out in the middle to put the two ideas together.

[Courageous]

Originally Posted by Rosetta

I see the connection, but ... quite a jump over a large chasm to get there..

Well, it's not such a big jump. Banning smoking is just the culmination of years of annoyance of nonsmokers by smokers, and I have to say... mostly their just due (although perhaps a bit excessive in the case cited, yes).

But the tax on smoking has been justified, as a matter of the record, by the expense on the medical system that smokers cause for themselves. If they were paying for it themselves, their could hardly be any protest, now could there? No. The story the voter has been sold on is that these sin taxes are making it so the sinner pays for their sins.

Medicine has been partially socialized already in the US (it doesn't seem this way from a casual glance, but it's true). The voters hackles would be up that much more if it were fully socialized, mark my words.

C//

[greywolf79]

Originally Posted by Kheldar

actual certain foods are unhealthy why do u think they got away with suing mcdonalds and now there is no super sized fries.

Damn lawyers! I was wondering why I could not get my ss fries any more... Now I know.

GreyWolf.

[Alcyone]

I am a smoker, my husband is not. Of my own accord, I used to step outside if I wanted to smoke because I don't feel I should kill him with my choice to smoke. And if I'm someplace, and I can see the smoke is bothering someone else's right to breathe, I either put it out, or move. I feel the choice to do something bad for me is my choice, and non-smokers should not have to breathe my filthy second-hand smoke. At the same time, I feel that if I'm outside smoking, non-smokers shouldn't go out of their way to be near me. There's tons more space than right by me smoking. It's give and take, I'll give on the inside thing, but at least give me some space to smoke outside or some such thing. Perfumes bother my breathing, am I supposed to tell people not to wear perfume if they are gonna be walking in the street where I might be? Or should I just walk further away from them?

[Courageous]

Alcyone,

That's a wise and fair perspective, and I agree.

You should still stop smoking, though. :-)

C//

[Nar Matteru]

Originally Posted by Courageous

Alcyone,

That's a wise and fair perspective, and I agree.

You should still stop smoking, though. :-)

C//

Courageous hasn't yet learned not to tell a woman what she should or should not do?

And here I thought he was so smart.

[Courageous]

Originally Posted by Nar Matteru

Courageous hasn't yet learned not to tell a woman what she should or should not do?

And here I thought he was so smart.

LOL. Alcyone just dresses up in drag.

C//

[carriehart]

Got 2 questions ?

Is it ture that you can be fine for staring at some one more that 1 minute on the beachs in Californa?
Isn't that hole reason for going to the beach half naked. Oh wait we need to be selective on who gets to look, no wankers, they get the fines.

Is it true they banned micowave ovens in some Eropean country's, because they destroy the nutritional value of the food? So although you eat your body is really starving, so you eat more, and get a really great big fat ass, and have heart attacks, that cost the tax payers money running up medicare, and don't micro wave owners make up more than 20% of the population, alot more I think.
If we want to keep our Tax's down and improve the overall heath of the U.S. maybe we should Ban micro waves to.

I may be bias, I don't use micro waves.

[WarAngel]

Originally Posted by carriehart

Got 2 questions ?

Is it ture that you can be fine for staring at some one more that 1 minute on the beachs in Californa?

Is it true they banned micowave ovens in some Eropean country's, because they destroy the nutritional value of the food? So although you eat your body is really starving, so you eat more, and get a really great big fat ass, and have heart attacks, that cost the tax payers money running up medicare, and don't micro wave owners make up more than 20% of the population, alot more I think.
If we want to keep our Tax's down and improve the overall heath of the U.S. maybe we should Ban micro waves to.

No, no, no, no, and no. There are some really good points you can make in defense of either side and there are some very lame points you can make in defense of either side. You seem to be quite good at the latter.

[carriehart]

Originally Posted by WarAngel

No, no, no, no, and no. There are some really good points you can make in defense of either side and there are some very lame points you can make in defense of either side. You seem to be quite good at the latter.

No no no no, You know this, or are you just saying it?

and as far as lame, health seem's to be a major concern, if there is a larger threat to health than smoking, how exactly would you consider it lame?

My point is that people tend to be selective in what they ban, and in the laws they pass, not so much for health reason's, or public safety, but based more on personal bias.

And frankly I believe your insult fall's into the latter.

[Courageous]

You know this, or are you just saying it?

My advice to you would be: first ask yourself this question.

C//

[carriehart]

Originally Posted by Courageous

You know this, or are you just saying it?

My advice to you would be: first ask yourself this question.

C//

No I don't know, that's why it was in the form of a question,
and I don't think no no no no qualifies as a conclusive answer, especially when attached to an insult.
I have heard as much although I can't swear to the acuracy, of the information.

It was ment more as an example.
Ok maybe a desperate crasp.


I am a smoker, but honestly, I don't think there are any good arguments in favor of smoking.

[carriehart]

Originally Posted by Courageous

You know this, or are you just saying it?

My advice to you would be: first ask yourself this question.

C//

No I don't know, that's why it was in the form of a question,
and I don't think no no no no qualifies as a conclusive answer, especially when attached to an insult.
I have heard as much although I can't swear to the acuracy, of the information.

It was ment more as an example.
Ok maybe a desperate crasp.


I am a smoker, but honestly, I don't think there are any good arguments in favor of smoking.

Ps Your from Califorina is the staring fine false?

[Courageous]

Originally Posted by carriehart

Ps Your from Califorina is the staring fine false?

Why should I be put in the position of having to do a google search, that anyone can do, including you, over a question that you have no good reason to believe is true to begin with?

You're a smoker, is it true that gives you an uncontrollable urge to give blow jobs? Those cigarettes, very Freudian, dontcha know.

*snort*

C//

[carriehart]

Originally Posted by Courageous

urge to give blow jobs? *snort*C//

Speaking of blow jobs

[Alcyone]

Originally Posted by Courageous

LOL. Alcyone just dresses up in drag.

C//

shhhhhh. You weren't supposed to tell anyone that, it was a secret. And you're right, I shouldn't smoke, yet.........shit happens. What's it gonna do, kill me? Think the lupus will get to it first. I do feel for all of you non-smokers though. First you have to go through the whole breathing smoke thing, then you get to deal with us being total bitches or assholes because we're trying to quit.

[Johabius]

Originally Posted by Courageous

You're a smoker, is it true that gives you an uncontrollable urge to give blow jobs? Those cigarettes, very Freudian, dontcha know.

*snort*

C//

Yeah, I know every time that I light up a smoke that I think to myself "Damn, I really wish I had a dick to suck"

pompous dick

[Courageous]

Yeah! I just knew that was why I never smoked! I look at those things and say, "if I smoke one of those, I'll start telling everyone I need some delicious dick (tm)".

C//

[Rosetta]

Yeah! I just knew that was why I never smoked! I look at those things and say, "if I smoke one of those, I'll start telling everyone I need some delicious dick (tm)".

C//

Hmm
Ban/no ban on smoking to socialized health care I could almost see. But smoking to oral sex is a bit far.

Where will this go next?
Does a similar uncontrollable feeling happen to you every time you eat raisins, cantaloupes, cherries? What about bananas?
I wonder what Freud would say about blowing up balloons.


Do your other action figures need their heads examined . . well maybe they need to be looked over by Sigmund Freud himself. He stands 5” tall and is in a thoughtful pose holding a phallic cigar. He comes on an illustrated blistercard.

[Cronus]

The state and local governments are well within their rights to enact laws governing behaviors on the public land. Ideally the elected officials are acting within the views of the majority who elected them. So if the majority of people in a constituency want a smoking ban in *public* spaces, it should be done. This is democracy in action and is how things in this country are supposed to work.

However, the problem is the laws are so sweeping and force businesses into disallowing smokers. A business is a private space, much like a residence; and business owners should be able to make the choice themselves about whether or not to allow smoking within their establishment. Then we, as consumers, can choose for ourselves where to spend our money based on the policies of the local businesses. If a business doesn't allow smokers and you are a smoker, then you're free to go spend your money at the competition. Similarly, if a place of business does allow smoking and the smell of smoke completely offends you, you are just as free to go spend your money at their competition.

I'm a non-smoker, but I really do think that business owners should be able to decide for themselves what kind of behaviors are allowed within their business.

[bzk90]

finally somebody who makes sense...

let the invisible hand decide...

[Courageous]

The invisible hand doesn't always know best.

C//

[Nar Matteru]

Originally Posted by Cronus

The state and local governments are well within their rights to enact laws governing behaviors on the public land. Ideally the elected officials are acting within the views of the majority who elected them. So if the majority of people in a constituency want a smoking ban in *public* spaces, it should be done. This is democracy in action and is how things in this country are supposed to work.

However, the problem is the laws are so sweeping and force businesses into disallowing smokers. A business is a private space, much like a residence; and business owners should be able to make the choice themselves about whether or not to allow smoking within their establishment. Then we, as consumers, can choose for ourselves where to spend our money based on the policies of the local businesses. If a business doesn't allow smokers and you are a smoker, then you're free to go spend your money at the competition. Similarly, if a place of business does allow smoking and the smell of smoke completely offends you, you are just as free to go spend your money at their competition.

I'm a non-smoker, but I really do think that business owners should be able to decide for themselves what kind of behaviors are allowed within their business.

thank you, for making sense.