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Paperdoll Generator using PHP (MyRunUO)
- Thread starter Kinetix
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The original problem...
Ok, now I am totally confused. The original problem stated, was accessing the data from php, on a linux server. So NET in this case, is really a foriegn entity, thus I am now very confused on unnecessarly complications, performance, etc, as this seems to just add to it on linux.
But what I am still no clear on, is the basic desire to build the images from the mul files in php? Access them from a database (I saw that posted, so then not sure what the dll has to do with anything), or interface to a C/C++ cgi that uses some library (ultima, etc) to return a png (or whatever format) image?
Bradley said:
Ok, now I am totally confused. The original problem stated, was accessing the data from php, on a linux server. So NET in this case, is really a foriegn entity, thus I am now very confused on unnecessarly complications, performance, etc, as this seems to just add to it on linux.
But what I am still no clear on, is the basic desire to build the images from the mul files in php? Access them from a database (I saw that posted, so then not sure what the dll has to do with anything), or interface to a C/C++ cgi that uses some library (ultima, etc) to return a png (or whatever format) image?
Ultima.dll has all the functions needed to manipulate the objects stored in mul files, converting them to objects that can be easily manipulated (such as bitmaps). Now he would like to use it on a Linux machine, probably because he's familiar with .NET. Someone suggested using a database to store the images, I personally think it's a waste of database space as you can efficiently access the mul files (either using Ultima.dll on a Windows system or on Linux with Mono - except the cases stated before). In ASP.NET this would be very easy to do, he probably wants to do something similar using PHP because it's Linux...
Arya said:
Ok, so can someone tell me, what is the Bitmap class a part of ? Is it not part of the windows api for display? I didn't peruse most of the ultima source, as it wasn't of much use for me. Is Bitmap one of the class that are part of the dll, and not part of the windows display system?
I have read the mono objectives pretty closely, they seem to have commited to gtk+ for their display system. So can one tell me where they believe mono has picked that up?
As for database, it is large. http://games.gimbo.org/~punt/sform.php is an example of the art work being in a database (the actua png images are stored as blobs). After that, it is all php. But that seems pretty wasteful, I would agree. Hueing to me would be about a wash, but I suppose that depends on if doing in C or php.
The other option, which would work, is just do the entire thing in php.
I'm not a Mono expert. The Bitmap class is part of the .NET framework and I believe it encapsulates a windows HBITMAP (which is a pointer to a structure containing all the bitmap data). It's clear that Mono will handle the Bitmap class differently, but I believe it will support it. The exposed class should be the same as in .NET, it will just work different behind the scenes.
I guess wait and see
Well, I don't claim to be a mono expert either, as for it me it doesn't offer much. I still think it won't be included, as it seems to follow the "link" to windows display api. Mono isn't dependent on gtk+, but is using it for their display stuff (so I don't see how to get it generically). I readily admit I could easily be reading this all wrong, so I guess it is a wait an see.
What I was still confused about, was it didn't seem the orginal poser was looking to write in C# on linux. That was my why my orginal post, was trying to determine if he was planning on a cgi interface, and if so, what was that going to be coded in. For there are native C++ libraries available on linux for the mul files as well, that would not require all the mono setup. Regardless, it would appear there are several ways to accomplish what wants to be done, it is just dependent on how where one wants to program (php, C#, C++, etc).
Arya said:
Well, I don't claim to be a mono expert either, as for it me it doesn't offer much. I still think it won't be included, as it seems to follow the "link" to windows display api. Mono isn't dependent on gtk+, but is using it for their display stuff (so I don't see how to get it generically). I readily admit I could easily be reading this all wrong, so I guess it is a wait an see.
What I was still confused about, was it didn't seem the orginal poser was looking to write in C# on linux. That was my why my orginal post, was trying to determine if he was planning on a cgi interface, and if so, what was that going to be coded in. For there are native C++ libraries available on linux for the mul files as well, that would not require all the mono setup. Regardless, it would appear there are several ways to accomplish what wants to be done, it is just dependent on how where one wants to program (php, C#, C++, etc).
Bradley
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http://www.go-mono.com/class-status-System.Drawing.html
MONO says that system.drawing.bitmap is 97% complete, missing only 2 rarely used function calls.
Since in PHP the bitmap never actually gets drawn on the server's screen, it only exists in memory, there shouldn't be a problem using it on any system. All it would need to know how to do is stream it to a client it the correct format, which is standard, .gif, .jpg, .png, or whatever. it's fairly system independant.
MONO says that system.drawing.bitmap is 97% complete, missing only 2 rarely used function calls.
Since in PHP the bitmap never actually gets drawn on the server's screen, it only exists in memory, there shouldn't be a problem using it on any system. All it would need to know how to do is stream it to a client it the correct format, which is standard, .gif, .jpg, .png, or whatever. it's fairly system independant.
Bradley said:
neat, wasn't aware of that. Still not sure it is worth the effort to get setup for just a php displaying of gumps, but to each their own.
Arya, not all NET is being implemented on MONO. Thus my confusion, and mistake on Bitmap. But just because something is in NET, doesn't mean MONO is going to do it (several things they are not doing due to patents, and are just windows specific, which isn't there goal).
I thought I would come back to the discussion 
yeah my suggestion will work
Mono isn't the perfect solution, but I wll be honest if I had a choice between using Mono/PHP or any other solution I would pick Mono/PHP instead of a ASP solution with Mono/Apache.
Actually the best solution would be to use a windows server.
But I will be honest the current version of MyRunUO has alot of work to be done to make it work.
yeah my suggestion will work
Mono isn't the perfect solution, but I wll be honest if I had a choice between using Mono/PHP or any other solution I would pick Mono/PHP instead of a ASP solution with Mono/Apache.
Actually the best solution would be to use a windows server.
But I will be honest the current version of MyRunUO has alot of work to be done to make it work.
Again, how do you draw that conclusion?
It has been identified that the ultima.dll, unmodified, uses windows specific functions (not the Bitmap, but others where identified). So I don't see how it would load that dll. But no, I readily admit I have not tried, for I have no need for such a thing.
What I still don't understand, is if one assumes it wont' work, the simpliest solution would be use a windows server? Change your whole OS for one library? Just use another library equivlanent to ultima.dll.
Phantom said:
It has been identified that the ultima.dll, unmodified, uses windows specific functions (not the Bitmap, but others where identified). So I don't see how it would load that dll. But no, I readily admit I have not tried, for I have no need for such a thing.
What I still don't understand, is if one assumes it wont' work, the simpliest solution would be use a windows server? Change your whole OS for one library? Just use another library equivlanent to ultima.dll.
Plenty
What choice does he have if he wants a stable system to read gump art? There are other libraries that do that, has xir has pointed out in this thread. So he has choices for even a "good stable system".
But at this point, I don't see any other useful data to the orginal poster being offered, from either of us. So I any other posts I suppose I will do on this would be in starbucks.
Phantom said:
What choice does he have if he wants a stable system to read gump art? There are other libraries that do that, has xir has pointed out in this thread. So he has choices for even a "good stable system".
But at this point, I don't see any other useful data to the orginal poster being offered, from either of us. So I any other posts I suppose I will do on this would be in starbucks.
What I was asking was for a cross-platform program which would allow the use of Zulu's MyUO on a PHP platform, Apache and Linux. [edit: WITHOUT extra mods or software requiring to be installed.]
Since my last post, I've learned some C and have written a program that reads the gumpindex and gumpart mul files, then prints out the information that is read by PHP. However, I'm hoping you guys can help me with something.
In the tiledata, how do I get the item's gumpid for when it is equipped?
And hues, I don't understand them at all. How are they applied to the gumps? I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
(Keep in mind I don't know C#)
Since my last post, I've learned some C and have written a program that reads the gumpindex and gumpart mul files, then prints out the information that is read by PHP. However, I'm hoping you guys can help me with something.
In the tiledata, how do I get the item's gumpid for when it is equipped?
And hues, I don't understand them at all. How are they applied to the gumps? I'd appreciate any help, thanks.
(Keep in mind I don't know C#)