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Please remove the background macro loops
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Don't be a fool about what Razor can/can't do now. There are many other programs that are readily accessible that can do these things and FAR more. Many of them just require the ability to script (yeah, so what, I'm pointing fingers at EasyUO). I can script ANYTHING with EasyUO, as can many others. This has just leveled that playing field a hell of alot more. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you cry because others have an unfair advantage because of it... welcome to the real world, someone is always going to unbalance it. Quite honestly, this just gives me more ideas to re-level it with my RUO scripting, why don't you try the same?
And I think Zippy also has his own idea of "the line". There's been many times when users request this or that feature, and Zippy flat out says no. Why? Because it's too automated. Like I said, criticism is great...when it's constructive. It would have been a lot different had someone said "I'm not sure I like this new feature. IMO, it's a little too automatic for me." Great. Fine. Constructive. Don't use that feature. Coming on here and starting a thread on how "lame" Razor is becoming is not constructive. It's negative. Like Lysdexic said, there's other programs that have the ability to do WAY more. Like EasyUO. It's also a very very easy language to learn. You can have an EasyUO script do everything for you. Forget about "point and click". You can just sit back and watch it kill for you, loot for you, heal for you, and when you get too much gold on you, recall to the bank for you. And that's something shard owners can do nothing about.Kadull said:
Why are people so hung up on the word lame anyways, the rest of my post was respectful i could hav ecome in here gung ho and started flaming in the first post.
Lame is even good word, lame is another word for handicaped, and this kind of feature acts to help handicaped or incapable players. I think it would be fair to call anyone who uses this feature for background scripts to be "lame"
Easy UO already exsist as you mention, we don't need another. Many shards already ban it's use.
Lame is no worse than calling me silly.Sleepy Char said:
Lame is even good word, lame is another word for handicaped, and this kind of feature acts to help handicaped or incapable players. I think it would be fair to call anyone who uses this feature for background scripts to be "lame"
Easy UO already exsist as you mention, we don't need another. Many shards already ban it's use.
Sure, many shards might tell you EasyUO is banned. How do they know you're using it? They don't. Unless you go AFK for 10 hours and keep on hunting or mining or doing whatever the whole time and don't answer when someone talks to you. My point was that calling something a name or in general putting it down isn't a nice way to voice your opinion. Some people don't like it, and some do. If you choose not to use that feature and someone else does use it, then you can just think of yourself as the better person for not letting Razor do a few additional things for you.Eggit said:
Tannis said:
That doesn't matter. Whether you get caught or not, its... still... cheating.
Like I said in my Optional ID Packet thread, the shard administrators determine what is and what is not cheating on their shard. If Razor allows a player to circumvent the rules, then it is a cheat tool. Whether or not there are already programs out there that do the same thing is absolutely irrelevant - if I start dealing drugs, even though there are six other guys on the block who do the exact same thing, I'm still a criminal.
You may see it as cheating. Others may not. It's a matter of opinion. Dealing drugs is a criminal activity period. No two ways about it. My point is, this is something Zippy works hard on. There's a difference between being rude and stating your opinion in a nice way. I've had my say, so have fun with the rest of the discussiontophyr said:
It has been discussed and Zippy will do whatever he feels fit. Personally I regret, but I have to say: Razor is a cheating tool, because it allows you to break the rules of some shards automatically. Probably Razor was never MEANT as a cheating tool, but enthusiasm can make you do things and don't let you recognize where it leads to.
But as I said: Noone can forbid Zippy anything and as a coder and UO-Player I have to admit, that it's a very fine tool, even if many of it's features not apropriate for the "style" of our shard. I told Zippy what I think would be best and I don't see any advantage in bugging Zippy any further. He will do what he feels fit.
But as I said: Noone can forbid Zippy anything and as a coder and UO-Player I have to admit, that it's a very fine tool, even if many of it's features not apropriate for the "style" of our shard. I told Zippy what I think would be best and I don't see any advantage in bugging Zippy any further. He will do what he feels fit.
Zippy
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You realize that you can have a macro play other macros? It would be quite easy to have my cure macro just run that old background macro again when it is through.
You guys are making a HUGE deal out of litterally nothing. This feature is not even that useful. Its not auto loot. It doesn't screw over anyone. You can do the exact same thing with Beta 28, it just takes a little more setup work (but no extra effort while playing).
Do people even make that huge of a use of macros while PvPing? Most of the things related to PvP (target hotkeys, dress/undress, potions, even bandages) do not have anything to do with the macro system and thusly have nothing to do with this addition.
The point is that whenever you give users power to do something they are going to do whatever they want with it. I can only control so much... no matter how much I want something to be used constructively if its possible, people will use it for something that you don't want them to.
I realize that none of you can see the razor source but it is LITTERED with checks and stuff SPECIFICALLY to disallow people from doing certain things which could lead to cheating. Razor doesn't allow you to "restock" from corpses. It doesn't allow you to drag thigns from your bank (because of the potential for it to be accessed when you're not near a banker), and TONS of other things put in there just for you. So lay off, FFS.
Besides, the feature this is about is already in. There's nothing anyone can do about it now, there is no way to remove features. People will just use old versions. Still, if it makes you feel better... I'll remove it. Yay, you win. Now what else do you want to berate me about? Want to come to my house and scream directly in my face?
You guys are making a HUGE deal out of litterally nothing. This feature is not even that useful. Its not auto loot. It doesn't screw over anyone. You can do the exact same thing with Beta 28, it just takes a little more setup work (but no extra effort while playing).
Do people even make that huge of a use of macros while PvPing? Most of the things related to PvP (target hotkeys, dress/undress, potions, even bandages) do not have anything to do with the macro system and thusly have nothing to do with this addition.
The point is that whenever you give users power to do something they are going to do whatever they want with it. I can only control so much... no matter how much I want something to be used constructively if its possible, people will use it for something that you don't want them to.
I realize that none of you can see the razor source but it is LITTERED with checks and stuff SPECIFICALLY to disallow people from doing certain things which could lead to cheating. Razor doesn't allow you to "restock" from corpses. It doesn't allow you to drag thigns from your bank (because of the potential for it to be accessed when you're not near a banker), and TONS of other things put in there just for you. So lay off, FFS.
Besides, the feature this is about is already in. There's nothing anyone can do about it now, there is no way to remove features. People will just use old versions. Still, if it makes you feel better... I'll remove it. Yay, you win. Now what else do you want to berate me about? Want to come to my house and scream directly in my face?
Razor is NOT a cheat tool until a shard decides to not allow the use of it, then and only then is it a cheat tool to that shard and that shard alone.
If your shard allows it and you don't like that, go somewhere else or start your own damn shard (p.s. Don't come here crying that you can't script and want RunUO to be changed exactly to your specifications... which is exactly what you're doing with Razor).
Last, but not least, since when in hell is your (and I'm directing this at all of the complainers thus far) opinions more important than the other people who use this program? Far more Razor users want these features than those who don't want them, so once again, if you don't like it, DON'T USE IT!
If your shard allows it and you don't like that, go somewhere else or start your own damn shard (p.s. Don't come here crying that you can't script and want RunUO to be changed exactly to your specifications... which is exactly what you're doing with Razor).
Last, but not least, since when in hell is your (and I'm directing this at all of the complainers thus far) opinions more important than the other people who use this program? Far more Razor users want these features than those who don't want them, so once again, if you don't like it, DON'T USE IT!
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