Do you think Kerry Would Have Done Better Job Then Bush?

[Camerous]

I personaly think America should try to perfect it's own form of democracy

Um first off the USA does not have a democracy.

2nd off who cares if they are related? If they do they job they are supposed to they can all be brothers and sisters for all I care.

 

[TMSTKSBK]

Whassa...constitutional republic, right?

 

[Camerous]

or a federalism... Take your pick.

 

[Solereaper]

1. Most of the people in Iraq want Democracy, but many are afraid to support it because they fear being "punished" for it by someone. Nobody is "forcing" democracy.
2. How the hell can you relate the Bush Administration to Saddam's regime? Is our government communist? No. Does it control the economy and forcefully take privately-owned businesses? No. Does Bush exterminate hundreds of thousands of people? No. You are comparing apples and oranges, my friend.
3. It is not uncommon for one's successor to go into the same profession as oneself. Also, a name says a lot. Chances are, someone's child has most of (if not all) the same moral/ethical principles as that person. They would probably be the best pick to mirror that person and his/her policies. How can you say that's uncommon? That's like saying it's uncommon for the son of a farmer to become a farmer...

1. I agree most people will want democracy but Americas idea of that may not be the same as the people of Iraq. Lets not forget who put the Sadam regime into power in the first place. I know that for A fact, I spent most my time in the USARMY training Sadams troops.
2. Yes I can relate the whole American political system to that of Sadams both are rather poor forms of democracy and corrupt to the core in my opinion. Yes your goverment controls the economy in the USA and Iraq now and defitnately took the privately owned oil business in Iraq from it's people. As for extermination of people perhaps Iraqs civilian casulties of an illegal war would say yes. Not to mention the use of internment for suspected terrorists. How democratic is that?
3. Long term plans for world globalisation don't worry you?

 

[Joeku]

1. I agree most people will want democracy but Americas idea of that may not be the same as the people of Iraq. Lets not forget who put the Sadam regime into power in the first place. I know that for A fact, I spent most my time in the USARMY training Sadams troops.
2. Yes I can relate the whole American political system to that of Sadams both are rather poor forms of democracy and corrupt to the core in my opinion. Yes your goverment controls the economy in the USA and Iraq now and defitnately took the privately owned oil business in Iraq from it's people. As for extermination of people perhaps Iraqs civilian casulties of an illegal war would say yes. Not to mention the use of internment for suspected terrorists. How democratic is that?
3. Long term plans for world globalisation don't worry you?

1. America is helping Iraq set up it's own democracy... they have written up their own constitution and everything...
2. The U.S. Government controls our economy? Bullshit... lol where did you get that from? Saddam's regime was not democratic, it was communist. GET IT STRAIGHT. The U.S. didn't take any "privately owned oil businesses," Saddam took them. Direct intentional extermination of innocents is NOT related in ANY way shape or form to civilian casualties during a conflict, I still don't see how you are trying to relate them because it's impossible. Again, apples and oranges. Keeping suspected terrorists behind bars so that they don't disappear before any factual evidence can be retrieved whether or not they really are terrorists... how is that non-democratic? They are a suspected threat to public safety...
3. George W. Bush doesn't have a "long-term plan for globalization"... that's you making up things to try to make Bush look bad. Even if he did, it would be impossible to get enough of his own family members into all 3 houses of government and take full control of the U.S. Even if America did try to "globalize", the U.N. would promptly put a stop to it.

Sorry, but what you are saying has no factual evidence backing it up. You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground...

Where did you come up with all this BTW? I haven't seen someone so imaginative in a while.

You have no business posting in this topic if all you have to say is "America is bad." This was a poll to find out whether or not Kerry would be a better president than Bush, and you haven't contributed to this topic at all.

 

[Asmir3]

How many times do I have to write You Cant Make Peace With Crazy People And I Mean There Really Crazy. I also think Bush went over there to get oil . Simple because first he said that his going over there to get those mass decretive weapons but they never found any and now he is changing the subject.

 

[WarAngel]

Some oil is better than no oil. I can't say I really want to pay $4+ for a gallon of gas. It was bad enough when it was $3+ a few months ago.

 

[Camerous]

2. The U.S. Government controls our economy? Bullshit... lol where did you get that from? Saddam's regime was not democratic, it was communist.

I agree with you over all Joeku but those 2 things are incorrect.

1st the government does control the economy to a huge extent with tax rates, interest rates, tarriffs, and other things which speed up or slow down the economy.

2nd The Saddam regime was a dictatorship.

Just keeping everything factual.

 

[Asmir3]

But going to war for oil that is just not kool they should pay for like everyone eles

Some oil is better than no oil. I can't say I really want to pay $4+ for a gallon of gas. It was bad enough when it was $3+ a few months ago.

 

[shrundowr]

First off, anyone who says the war in Iraq is "Fighting for our country" is a fucking idiot...
Iraq has never in the history of the world attacked the United States.

Here is my opinion (I know some of you are dreading this):
Do I believe that saddam had a regime that needed to be stopped? Yes, but so is half the fucking 3rd world...and notice we never attacked russia directly during the cold war...they were worse, but they were almost as big as us...so we didnt do anything now did we?
That being said, Are they a threat to our security? Yes, albeit a minor one.
Did I ever believe they had weapons of mass destruction? Yes, wouldnt put it past Him.
Do I Think Saddam would ever use them on the Untied States? *scoff* No, attacking the U.S. is fucking suicide, dont say nothing stupid about this, i know theyre willing to commit suicide for theyre causes, this is different.
Do I think saddamn should die? Yes, I think we should get a real good, talented, creative sadist like quentin tarantino to come up with a way to "exterminate him"

Do I think we should have gone to war with Iraq? Hell Fuckin No!
My reasons:
#1 Iraq has NEVER touched us, and there is a guy and group of terrorists just a couple hundred miles away who did and who are probably partying and drunk while we attack a whole nother, seperate group of people.
#2 the majority of the people in the Iraqi Army are NOT Volunteers. Heres how Army "Recruitment" works in countries like this: dictator (actually someone wroking for him not him directly) looks for people that are strong, good with weapons etc...and tells him "hey your gonna be in the army"...guy says no, his family members come back in a plastic bag all grinded up like meat or somethat.

These people arent the enemy...saddam and the people high up are...the soldiers are all being coerced/forced blackmailed etc

What we should have done was had a CIA operation to assassinate the "deck of cards"...except after we tried doing that with Castro and failed, the U.N. decided that assassinating world leaders is wrong, no matter how much eviler the world leader is.
Oh and i "chose" bush for this poll b/c kerrys a blubbering idiot...i voted for the aforementioned blubbering idiot because as someone pointed out he was the lesser of two evils...howard dean was my man...but he didnt win the primary thingie.

One Final Thought, although i dont agree with the war or technically "Police Action", I do think we are in too deep to leave those poor people like that

 

[TheOutkastDev]

First off, anyone who says the war in Iraq is "Fighting for our country" is a fucking idiot...
Iraq has never in the history of the world attacked the United States.

Here is my opinion (I know some of you are dreading this):
Do I believe that saddam had a regime that needed to be stopped? Yes, but so is half the fucking 3rd world...and notice we never attacked russia directly during the cold war...they were worse, but they were almost as big as us...so we didnt do anything now did we?
That being said, Are they a threat to our security? Yes, albeit a minor one.
Did I ever believe they had weapons of mass destruction? Yes, wouldnt put it past Him.
Do I Think Saddam would ever use them on the Untied States? *scoff* No, attacking the U.S. is fucking suicide, dont say nothing stupid about this, i know theyre willing to commit suicide for theyre causes, this is different.
Do I think saddamn should die? Yes, I think we should get a real good, talented, creative sadist like quentin tarantino to come up with a way to "exterminate him"

Do I think we should have gone to war with Iraq? Hell Fuckin No!
My reasons:
#1 Iraq has NEVER touched us, and there is a guy and group of terrorists just a couple hundred miles away who did and who are probably partying and drunk while we attack a whole nother, seperate group of people.
#2 the majority of the people in the Iraqi Army are NOT Volunteers. Heres how Army "Recruitment" works in countries like this: dictator (actually someone wroking for him not him directly) looks for people that are strong, good with weapons etc...and tells him "hey your gonna be in the army"...guy says no, his family members come back in a plastic bag all grinded up like meat or somethat.

These people arent the enemy...saddam and the people high up are...the soldiers are all being coerced/forced blackmailed etc

What we should have done was had a CIA operation to assassinate the "deck of cards"...except after we tried doing that with Castro and failed, the U.N. decided that assassinating world leaders is wrong, no matter how much eviler the world leader is.
Oh and i "chose" bush for this poll b/c kerrys a blubbering idiot...i voted for the aforementioned blubbering idiot because as someone pointed out he was the lesser of two evils...howard dean was my man...but he didnt win the primary thingie.

One Final Thought, although i dont agree with the war or technically "Police Action", I do think we are in too deep to leave those poor people like that

Watch the language. This thread is controversial in nature and I don't want to see it go down the shithole because someone lacks a vocabulary.

 

[Solereaper]

1. America is helping Iraq set up it's own democracy... they have written up their own constitution and everything...
2. The U.S. Government controls our economy? Bullshit... lol where did you get that from? Saddam's regime was not democratic, it was communist. GET IT STRAIGHT. The U.S. didn't take any "privately owned oil businesses," Saddam took them. Direct intentional extermination of innocents is NOT related in ANY way shape or form to civilian casualties during a conflict, I still don't see how you are trying to relate them because it's impossible. Again, apples and oranges. Keeping suspected terrorists behind bars so that they don't disappear before any factual evidence can be retrieved whether or not they really are terrorists... how is that non-democratic? They are a suspected threat to public safety...
3. George W. Bush doesn't have a "long-term plan for globalization"... that's you making up things to try to make Bush look bad. Even if he did, it would be impossible to get enough of his own family members into all 3 houses of government and take full control of the U.S. Even if America did try to "globalize", the U.N. would promptly put a stop to it.

Sorry, but what you are saying has no factual evidence backing it up. You obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground...

Where did you come up with all this BTW? I haven't seen someone so imaginative in a while.

You have no business posting in this topic if all you have to say is "America is bad." This was a poll to find out whether or not Kerry would be a better president than Bush, and you haven't contributed to this topic at all.

I doubt that it was written without a lot of American influence. When A puppet dictator gets out of hand America just replaces him with A new one.

It is obvious that the people who tax you control your economy and your an idiot if you can't see that. Sadam was not a communist he was an American placed dictator that went bad, your simply to dumb to know the difference.

So when is the American goverment going to give the Iraqi people control of there oil resources? How long is it going to take to gather the so called evidence for these suspected terrorists activities? 3 more years perhaps? Most of these people where removed from there own countrys by force and not any direct threat to America.

I personaly think neither Kerry or Bush are good canidates for president. I think it's you who has issues with the facts. I'm not anti American but am anti US goverment. I simply think the way the US goverment is conducting itself is wrong. It is obvious globalization your just to damm brainwashed to see it. As for the UN it's a joke. When has America listend to UN mandates? Never happen with Iraq.

I will exercise my freedom of speech, it hasent been taken away just yet.

I feel sorry for you. All you can do is try and flame me for my opinion loser

 

[shrundowr]

When A puppet dictator gets out of hand America just replaces him with A new one.

This is very true, we have put many of the people who are trying to annhiliate us in power...usually b/c the previous one was also a dictator

Saddam's regime was not democratic, it was communist.

ummmm yeah, thats just plain incorrect. Iraq was NOT communist....not every dictatorship is communist man...look at the nazis...they were all the way on the left (despite the word socialist in name, they were NOT communist OR socialist at all) Iraq was despotic, but not communist to any extent.

I feel sorry for you. All you can do is try and flame me for my opinion loser.

^^Thats going in my Sig

 

[TMSTKSBK]

And you're too dumb to distinguish between "your" and "you're" (first is possessive, second denotes state of being).

 

[shrundowr]

And you're too dumb to distinguish between "your" and "you're" (first is possessive, second denotes state of being).

After doing a ctrl + f on this page and seeing 3 people who did use them incorrectly, including myself, i dont know which of us you're talking about...and I really could care less about grammar (unless im interviewing for a job)especially minor things like that. Which as you've proven very few people notice anyway...

 

[PappaSmurf]

last i new the pres. could send troops with out consent but then congress could imediatly vote and bring them back.

Lets just all agree war is ugly. I only wish you could in the realy world do with out it, but it isnt going anywhere.

Actually the President is allowed to send troops (With the exception of Marines) into an area for I beleive it was 90 days without congressional approval before he has to pull them out. Once congressional approval is given they can remain for an indefinate ammount of time or untill a congressional vote deems they must be recalled. Marines on the other hand can be sent into any area the President deems fitting without consulting Congress first to establish the need for a congressional vote. Marines are America's 911 on call 24/7 365 at the President's beck and call....Where many times service members know days to months ahead of time that they are being deployed it isn't uncommon for a Marine unit to gear up and be gone in the matter of a few hours on the whim of the Commander and Chief.......

Semper Fi is more than a motto to Marines it's a way of life

For my Unit that motto was always followed with I.Y.A.O.Y.A.S

 

[TheOutkastDev]

I am impressed how civilized this thread is despite the subject matter. Could it be the community is reforming?

 

[Joeku]

I doubt that it was written without a lot of American influence. When A puppet dictator gets out of hand America just replaces him with A new one.

It is obvious that the people who tax you control your economy and your an idiot if you can't see that. Sadam was not a communist he was an American placed dictator that went bad, your simply to dumb to know the difference.

So when is the American goverment going to give the Iraqi people control of there oil resources? How long is it going to take to gather the so called evidence for these suspected terrorists activities? 3 more years perhaps? Most of these people where removed from there own countrys by force and not any direct threat to America.

I personaly think neither Kerry or Bush are good canidates for president. I think it's you who has issues with the facts. I'm not anti American but am anti US goverment. I simply think the way the US goverment is conducting itself is wrong. It is obvious globalization your just to damm brainwashed to see it. As for the UN it's a joke. When has America listend to UN mandates? Never happen with Iraq.

I will exercise my freedom of speech, it hasent been taken away just yet.

I feel sorry for you. All you can do is try and flame me for my opinion loser

You are calling me dumb, while you are making simple grade school spelling/grammatical errors? "There" = "Their," "Where" = "Were..."
Got communist/fascist mixed up, sorry. They both lead to no good anyways. You're the dumbass for calling Saddam's regime a democracy. Regardless of how Saddam got into his office, he needed to be removed because he abused his powers.
"Having the ability to control" and "controlling" are two different things. The government is doing all they can to make the economy better... Saddam controlled the economy to whatever benefited him most (300% tax on cars/cell phones/etc). Do you see that here? No.
The U.S. Army is supposed to pull out of Iraq as soon as the situation is docile enough for the Iraqis to control by themselves. Right now, people are still rebuilding their lives and trying to cope with terrorist attacks...
I could understand thinking of globalization if the U.S. didn't make an attempt to help the Iraqis to establish their own government, but they are. Do you really think that the European nations would just stand by if a country started invading multiple other ones? What happened to start World War 2? When Germany started invading multiple countries (i.e. Poland), France and Britain declared war on them. If the U.S. were to do the same thing, you are saying that the U.N. would just stand by?

Again, if you were trying to make a real argument with factual evidence, I might understand. This is entirely opinionated on your part...

 

[Joeku]

I am impressed how civilized this thread is despite the subject matter. Could it be the community is reforming?

Your "wake-up-and-stop-the-BS" thread worked!

 

[PappaSmurf]

How many times do I have to write You Cant Make Peace With Crazy People And I Mean There Really Crazy. I also think Bush went over there to get oil . Simple because first he said that his going over there to get those mass decretive weapons but they never found any and now he is changing the subject.

Actually I think that Bush had several reasons to be so hard core on going into Iraq

1. He wanted to leave his mark on American History like any other President...What better way than to correct what many said was his fathers biggest failure...Removing Saddam

2. Saddam had a HUGE price on his fathers head.

3. He was fed unverified and absolutly untrue intelligence leading him to beleive there was a secrect stash of weapons of mass destruction.

4. He unlike many people knew exactly what kind of President Bill Clinton was and wanted to live upto that standard. For example the mass majority do not know that during the whole Bosnia event the US had aircraft in the air ready to drop weapons into Milosivics living room moments after the UN deadline was to expire but then they extended it. His economic theory was sound and was a catalyst to Regan's "Trickle Down " theory and actually worked extremely well.....So what he was getting it on with an Intern .....No one complained about Kennedy and Marlyn Monroe.


Oil was not a concern if you look at the evedience , Gas prices have gone up around $1.00 a gallon here in the US and if the US was controlling all that Oil in Iraq you can bet there would be a cheaper price for it.