Smoking Banned in State of Illinois

[WarAngel]

Why does everyone keep acting like 20% of the population is not very many people??? :?

 

[TheOutkastDev]

Problem Solved.

 

[greywolf79]

What's next, someone going to tell us we should wipe our ass's with our left hand because it's healthier than with our right?

Actually this has been scientifically proven. If you are right handed and wipe with your left hand it is healthier for you...

Ok, maybe not scientifically proven, but it sounds like a good theory to test.

GreyWolf.

 

[Tribal]

smoking is banned in new zealand aswell

and that still doesnt stop people

wut clubs need to do is just have a heated outdoor area for them to smoke

 

[Ravatar]

I live in downstate IL and I fully support this ban. However, I'm allergic to a component of most cigarette smoke so smokers actually cause me physical distress. So.. I could be a bit biased.

Over the years, I've managed to convince my mother, father, and grandparents to complety quit smoking, and everyone should urge their loved ones to do the same IMO.

 

[crackrat]

Problem Solved.

yep been there tried that, bad thing was that i had a stressful week at work and i broke down while on the patch and smoked. About two days later later the jitters from the patch were gone, and i was smoking almost double what i used to.....

To those that think its a switch you can just turn off and on well sorry it isnt. I am planning on trying again soon but after my last try I learned you really got to want to quit formost, and also have decent conditions to quit. My boss quit about 2 years ago using the gum for the past two years hes been now trying to quit the gum

side note i do app people telling others to quit. Honestly on these forums most saying its easy havent the knowledge of what its like, hell most here havent been alive as long as ive smoked.

 

[Rosetta]

Godwin's Law! Kinda sorta.

I wonder if there is something similar for how long it takes for e-penis size to show up.

 

[Kheldar]

i can see banning smokin in restaurants and public areas of workplaces and even parks or carnivals. but when a workplace had someplace not open to public where they used to smoke and now they cant? the ban should be there but different bars should be able to be smokefree or smokers allowed up to the owner. any adult establishment should have the right to choose. their already talking about amending it for the casinos and that because according to polls most gamblers are smokers and they dont want to lose the income. im a smoker and i work in a shop before if i wanted a cigerette i walked in back and worked/smoked not in the car but in the backroom where the lathes and that are. now i have to go outside on the opposite end of the parking lot? its more likely the general public will come in contact with me there then where i used to smoke. just my 2 cents.

 

[crackrat]

i can see banning smokin in restaurants and public areas of workplaces and even parks or carnivals. but when a workplace had someplace not open to public where they used to smoke and now they cant? the ban should be there but different bars should be able to be smokefree or smokers allowed up to the owner. any adult establishment should have the right to choose. their already talking about amending it for the casinos and that because according to polls most gamblers are smokers and they dont want to lose the income. im a smoker and i work in a shop before if i wanted a cigerette i walked in back and worked/smoked not in the car but in the backroom where the lathes and that are. now i have to go outside on the opposite end of the parking lot? its more likely the general public will come in contact with me there then where i used to smoke. just my 2 cents.

lol same here once in a shop when the smoking debate first started(like 18 years ago) my boss kept argueing with me about smoking in the shop, finally as he was telling me how much more healthy my life would be, i opened up the door on the mori sieki lathe I was running, the steam from the coolant came boiling out of the door and into the room like it did after every cycle. I looked up in the air and asked him when he was going to get proper ventilantion on his equipment. 18 years later the govt still hasn't even tried to enforce proper ventilation on industrial equipment. mind you the gasses from stainless steel and other steels has been linked to cancer, the gases coming off of aluminum has been linked to Alzheimer's.the coolant that these machines use come with hazard labels suggesting cancerous substances. It seems that the same organizations that are wanting a smoke free environment at work, could also ask for other well known breathing hazards be looked at as well. even OSHA looks the other way when it comes to this issue. They are only interested in if my door interlocks are in place, and that i have bandaids and eye flush close to my area. in 25 years of being a machinist i have had one accident, im sure the bandaids they are worried about would not have done diddle in that case, as i had to have 75+ stitches in one hand......

lol, humorous side note, that accident happened in the same shop as the smoking debate. the boss actually threatened my job if i didnt come back after being stitched up and finish the setup on the machine(which i did one handed and high on pain killers, hell i drove myself to the hospital due to the fact the boss said he couldn't spend the man power to get me taken care of). why hasn't the govt, while telling everyone how to live, helped the worker rights situation in cases like this? we have a tendance in this country to bandwagon our beliefs according to what the polititions want and hence the corporates, while not looking at the actual things that need to be enforced for the betterment of the masses.

yea i know a bit off track but is it really.......

 

[greywolf79]

I do not have a problem with people smoking, just the way they act when they do. I think personally it is fine to smoke in your own home, but anywhere it might impede another person's right to breath fresh air (or as fresh as it would be in that area without the smoking) it should be banned. This means essentially anywhere outside one's own home (and in cases where people have others in the home who do not smoke or are children should include the home) is where it should be banned. Just my personal opinion. I do not think others should have to breathe what someone else is smoking.

GreyWolf.

 

[jhs59]

I have to say that I like parts of the ban and hate other parts. Why should the smokers in my workplace be banned from smoking out back in the garage like they have for years and years? It's not a place where customers come to eat or to purchase items and it's not open to the public. No one here has a problem with it and yet, the smokers, by law, can not smoke in the warm garage any more.

Although... in Illinois it IS REQUIRED that ""No Smoking" signs to be posted in each public place and place of employment where smoking is prohibited. Requires ashtrays to be removed from any area where smoking is prohibited."

I suppose if you're caught smoking somewhere and there are no signs posted saying that you can't smoke, how are you to know?

I suppose the law is the law, though...

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It may be tacky but I'll leave this post off with a Robert Heinlein quote.

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert HeinLein

 

[Courageous]

I posted here once in the past a rough figure of how much more the smokers in the US Pay out over non-smokers as a whole here in the US and it wasn't a small sum,...

What's beautiful about the sum, though, is that it's voluntary. :-/

 

[crackrat]

well i do smoke at work in the area we have for it, i reframe from smoking in or around the public and i go outside in the privacy of my back yard to smoke at home due to my child.... honestly other than places that have historicaly been smoke ridden(bars,casinos you get the picture) ive always tried to respect the beliefs and feelings of a nonsmoker. these new laws honestly seem to give a reply to my years of respecting others, thank you all for outcasting me for my vice. lol guess I've been a fool all these years and should have been the asshole and just walked right over everyone around me.

due to new laws here, all the bars , restaurants, casinos, basically all public places in my area have non-smoking statutes. most have built patio enclosures for smokers to go use as they have the urge. Most bars and casinos in my area also have had a substantial loss of business over this. I find irony in how these laws could be implemented, and yet no real enforcement in place on sales. The public school system of my area has been overlooked in these new laws or are in violation. in my area every high school has a smoking area for even the underage students to use.that kinda reduces the effectiveness of long term goal of these laws. most forms of prohibition have been shown historically not to work in a free society. Where to stop with such laws and actually *shock* worry about the other major issues before our law makers today.....

smoking while it is a concern due to the medical cost issue , but there are other issues being ignored by the same people passing these bills. IL. for example has huge issues with illegal immigration(sanctuary state) and with the roads system as well as education and Medicare costs of those not able to afford these things on their own(not fully pertaining to smoking) while these issues drain their fiscal budget they worry about a issue that really is one of moral obligation to your fellow man more than a state issue. very little seems to be done about these issues other than ignoring the issue till its out of control.

 

[Joeku]

20% of the population is not very many people

 

[Nar Matteru]

I'm still gonna stick with "If I own a business, I should be free to set my own rules for it"

 

[mogbert]

Ya

Ya its been like that in ontario, in canada for those who don't know for about a year now aswell. If I smoked I might care haha

 

[WarAngel]

I'm still gonna stick with "If I own a business, I should be free to set my own rules for it"

You keep saying that, but it's blatantly not true. I can think of two huge instances right off the bat. Owning property doesn't mean anything in terms of government influence.

 

[WarAngel]

20% of the population is not very many people

Dude, you're totally right.

 

[Nar Matteru]

keyword there is SHOULD. Not 'CAN'.

 

[WarAngel]

We could argue SHOULDs all day long, but the fact is that they CAN and DO, and they even have popular support to do so.