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Freya

Wanderer
TMSTKSBK said:
AB. You were taught. Wrong. I am right. Go read wikipedia. Or something besides the democratic party website. Or just read what I posted about republicans vs democrats, and you'll get the picture.

Just a comment, Wikipedia is not the best place to go for acurate information on certain issues... Since anyone can change, edit, or add information on there about the topics posted... It is likely to be one sided as well in many topic areas... =) I just thought I would point that out... A better place to find information would be a real dictionary, Black's Law maybe, or other documented, and accredited sources... Rather then places where anyone can add, delete, or change information :p
 

bzk90

Lord
Actualy Freya thats not quite true, In fact its quite the opposite. Wikipedia works well because the multiple view points are all added to the article. if 1000 people contributed to the article its going to be alot less bias than if only 2 people contributed. It's true that people can remove large portions from an article but because wikimedia keeps regular backups of their data and the community can report such edits the deleted information is generaly replaced quickly.
 

WarAngel

Wanderer
bzk90 said:
Actualy Freya thats not quite true, In fact its quite the opposite. Wikipedia works well because the multiple view points are all added to the article. if 1000 people contributed to the article its going to be alot less bias than if only 2 people contributed. It's true that people can remove large portions from an article but because wikimedia keeps regular backups of their data and the community can report such edits the deleted information is generaly replaced quickly.

You also have people who simply "troll" articles looking for vandalism to revert and remove. I removed two large pieces of vandalism on the ACLU article, even though I am not a fan of the ACLU. Some of us are fair. :)
 

Freya

Wanderer
bzk90 said:
Actualy Freya thats not quite true, In fact its quite the opposite. Wikipedia works well because the multiple view points are all added to the article. if 1000 people contributed to the article its going to be alot less bias than if only 2 people contributed. It's true that people can remove large portions from an article but because wikimedia keeps regular backups of their data and the community can report such edits the deleted information is generaly replaced quickly.

True to a point, but it is still not best to use when documenting things, or looking for factual, unbiased, and accredited information... It's not the best place to suggest to someone to find definations of Democrat and Republican and things of that nature, because what may be there one day, may be changed the next, and so on and so forth... While they do back up's and checks... Unless someone reports misinformation, it doesn't always get caught... and also, it is still just information that comes from the knowledge of the people... Which, while some ppl seem to feel they know exactly how things are, and know about everything... Often they are in fact not fully correct... They remember things wrong, or misquote things, or misrepresent things... The best place as I said would be a actual dictionary, or information site that is accredited, and able to provide more then the knowledge of many people who all think they know something about a topic, therefore the information may change often... =) When it's factual information you are after... It is best to go to actual, accredited, proven factual documents... rather then information posted by the general public... =)
 

Freya

Wanderer
WarAngel said:
You also have people who simply "troll" articles looking for vandalism to revert and remove. I removed two large pieces of vandalism on the ACLU article, even though I am not a fan of the ACLU. Some of us are fair. :)

Which is exactly why it's not the best place to go for research or to find out about certain topics that are likely to change a lot based upon so many degrees of varying views... =D Like Democrats/Republicans.... =) The ideas that ppl have about what each of those are varies so much that there almost always will be disagreements arising from it... Therefore it is likely that it will change, be edited, ect. often enough to prove it not a reliable source for information when researching for an argument basis... =) Not everyone is fair when it comes to putting information on there... Others just feel so strongly that they know what they are talking about, that they are right, and no matter what, that is the bottom line, and that is what they will post on there... =)
 

TMSTKSBK

Lord
Ahem. I was not quoting WP as the be-all and end-all of information seeking. It is simply a good place to go if you want to find out what is probably true about something.
 

Freya

Wanderer
TMSTKSBK said:
Ahem. I was not quoting WP as the be-all and end-all of information seeking. It is simply a good place to go if you want to find out what is probably true about something.

I just wanted to point out that for the argument you were making about the lack of information or the misinformation that some ppl had about Democrats and Republicans, it wasn't the best place to suggest they go to find out the facts from.... :p
 

Freya

Wanderer
TMSTKSBK said:
better than the facts he had....

Still, if you're going to insult someone about their facts.... It's best to suggest an actual documented factual source of information for them to do their research at, rather then a place where anyone can post anything at anytime... and where information can be changed, edited, deleted, ect... =D
 

PappaSmurf

Knight
TMSTKSBK said:
He was pro-abortion. He was a pacifist retard. He was coasting on Reagan/Bush foreign policy. He was indecisive. He was a lawyer.
That a long enough list for you?
I think your mistaken on several of these points facts unknown to the majority of the General Public.

Lets start with Pacifist....

Dec. 1998

Wikipedia said:
16 to 20 December 1998: Just days after the stop in Jebel Ali, the Enterprise battlegroup spearheaded Operation Desert Fox, smashing Iraqi military targets with more than 300 Tomahawk land attack missiles and 691,000 pounds (313 tonnes) of ordnance.
Hate to tell you this Buddy but that 691,000 Pounds of Ordnance was more than was used in the entire 1st Gulf War... and that was over 80 days not in 4.....

Clinton Ordered an Air Strike on Slobodan Milošević's personal home to conincide with the end of the UN's Deadline for peace talks in Serbia. The UN extended this deadline at the last moment causing the the Aircraft to return from over Serbian airspace moments away from launching the ordnance.

Pacifist Retard I think not Intelligent Leader Sounds more like it.

Coasting of Regan/Bush Forgien Policy I must also intergect with the following although he did build on what was being laid down during the previous President's time in office he took expanded those policies and inproved forigen relations at a much more accelerated rate than either of the two you mentioned...that and he didn't puke on the leader of any country........

TMSTKSBK said:
Democrats <3 big government. Everyone agrees.
Big government generally creates more taxes.
Big government IMPLIES more governmental control over YOUR LIFE.
Big government generally includes some large amount of social programs.
Social programs include: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare in general, Food Stamps, TANF, gov't Housing, Public Schools, WIC...(do we see the idea yet?)

WHAT do all these programs have in common?


They're all part of the perfect socialist state.

WHAT *ELSE* do they have in common?

They were all instituted by DEMOCRATS. Whoa. O_O.

Social Security and the TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority), along with numerous other programs of similar types were created during the Great Depression, by FDR. This series of programs was called "The New Deal". Sounded great at the time. But whether or not FDR liked socialism, the New Deal, and especially Social Security, ARE socialism. By its very purpose you can see that it is socialism.

What do Democrats REALLY whine and complain about?

Reductions or changes in "entitlements".

What are entitlements?

Social programs...with ideals based in socialism.

You cannot compare FDR's "The New Deal" to current National Situations...FDR boosted goverment size in order to create jobs and promote economic growth in what was at the time the best possible way.....

As far as Democrats creating Big Goverment.......

Democrats have a bigger reccord of reducing goverment spending, and size than Republican's do.....how so?

Democrats are responsible for the majority of Military Reduction programs...while this is both good and bad it has it's benifits. If you'll remember correctly and I know it's hard you were only between the ages of 7 and 15 during Clinton's time in office and politics are usually the last thing on a person of that ages mind at the time but his economic programs reduced goverment spending and completely eliminated the national deficit during his 8 years in office through better budgets and reduction in goverment...

As of right now the Nation is in it's worse debt because some jackass is sitting in the Oval Office Playing GOD and creating wars on false information to try and leave a legacy greater than that of his father who went into a war when the information and intelligence was valid and proven.

Bush and any Republican/Democrat/3rd Party who supports his actions to do so need to resign as they have created and intergrated communist and socalist indeals into this country in a greater fashion than any other living or dead congressional or presidental party ever has. NEVER Prior to this time in our history has the US gone to such great lengths as to violate laws it has passed in order to collect information and intelligence on it's own peoples....Never untill now has the Civil Services (police namely) had the right to search your homes, tap your phones, or spy on you without a warrant or apparent probable cause (now they can do these things to gain probable cause to issue a warrent). These actions are done in the Name of Liberty but are only comparable to actions of organizations such as the KGB, SS, and the Getstapo of former Communist USSR and WWII era Nazi Germany...
 
Pappasmurf said:
NEVER Prior to this time in our history has the US gone to such great lengths as to violate laws it has passed in order to collect information and intelligence on it's own peoples....Never untill now has the Civil Services (police namely) had the right to search your homes, tap your phones, or spy on you without a warrant or apparent probable cause (now they can do these things to gain probable cause to issue a warrent). These actions are done in the Name of Liberty but are only comparable to actions of organizations such as the KGB, SS, and the Getstapo of former Communist USSR and WWII era Nazi Germany...
THAT's my main reason for not liking Bush anymore, and my break away from the Republican party. I was pretty liberal to begin with, but I was raised Catholic so I have always had very conservative values, so I was pretty much raised in a republican household. I registered as a republican and still am. I wasnt a fan of the war in Iraq, but when OUR OWN GOVERNMENT passed the "Patriot Act"
(I love that misnomer of a name BTW) I've lost faith with government as a whole.
 
Sunshine said:
When did they change?.....
who says I dont still have conservative values? Morally, I am still a conservative, you knock up a chick, you marry the broad, you got problems in your marriage, you work em out instead of getting in a divorce.
 

Sunshine

Wanderer
Anti-Basic said:
who says I dont still have conservative values? Morally, I am still a conservative, you knock up a chick, you marry the broad, you got problems in your marriage, you work em out instead of getting in a divorce.


LOL ...you are sooo debenare with your choice of words....hun you said you once lived in a town house now live in a crappy place? if you had a town house once you can again..maybe not in that place but there are alot of places out there...hop on a greyhound and go find one...take the steps to get what you want...you can do it again...
 
Sunshine said:
LOL ...you are sooo debenare with your choice of words....hun you said you once lived in a town house now live in a crappy place? if you had a town house once you can again..maybe not in that place but there are alot of places out there...hop on a greyhound and go find one...take the steps to get what you want...you can do it again...
Just cause I gots southern values dun mean I cant cuss. still Cajun. :p
 

PappaSmurf

Knight
Anti-Basic said:
Just cause I gots southern values dun mean I cant cuss. still Cajun. :p

Quit bringin up your Cajun makes me miss Gumbo and all that fine Cajun cooking even more..
There are people around here that don't even know what Jambalaya is.....and I can't find a glass of Iced Tea in a resturant anywhere.....and if I do it's not sweetened......
 
PappaSmurf said:
Quit bringin up your Cajun makes me miss Gumbo and all that fine Cajun cooking even more..
There are people around here that don't even know what Jambalaya is.....and I can't find a glass of Iced Tea in a resturant anywhere.....and if I do it's not sweetened......
anyone who hasnt heard of gumbo or Jambalaya should be force fed it.
 

NiteStar

Wanderer
PappaSmurf said:
Quit bringin up your Cajun makes me miss Gumbo and all that fine Cajun cooking even more..
There are people around here that don't even know what Jambalaya is.....and I can't find a glass of Iced Tea in a resturant anywhere.....and if I do it's not sweetened......


PappaSmurf, whats up with that. You attempt to get what they call Iced Tea and I am afraid to think what it taste like. As for crawfish pie can't find it hell can't even find the damn mudbugs. People don't even know what your talking about and it's a drag.

*makes note to self

**Time for food run to Louisiana so he can stock up on goodies
 
NiteStar said:
PappaSmurf, whats up with that. You attempt to get what they call Iced Tea and I am afraid to think what it taste like. As for crawfish pie can't find it hell can't even find the damn mudbugs. People don't even know what your talking about and it's a drag.

*makes note to self

**Time for food run to Louisiana so he can stock up on goodies
Crawfish are outrageously expensive at the moment anyway. And the ones you can get ahold of taste like crap.
 

NiteStar

Wanderer
Anti-Basic said:
Crawfish are outrageously expensive at the moment anyway. And the ones you can get ahold of taste like crap.

Friends of mine still there (Louisiana) tell me that since Katrina everything has gone through the roof, that sucks. Get you a rake, head to the swamp and get your own Bro LOL

Built all my own "rakes" when young and scraped the ditches, would come up with tons of the things then head for a crawfish boil LOL

Find you some expanded metal (small holes so they can't get out), put a handle on it and then sell what you can't eat...make a profit!!! :eek:

 
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