War for oil? or revenge?

[IxildorRS]

Gainsay maybe there are no word's to describe how ass?ole you are!!
You should include that in your signature it's a good idea!

 

[Sxy_Flip]

heheheh BUSH is an idiot ...a damn redneck .....
gud thing I AM CANADIAN.. EH?

 

[Gainsay]

IxildorRS - If there was room, I would though, Ask yourself this: Am I a asshole or do I have something you lack.. commen sence

 

[ratfink]

Gainsay maybe there are no word's to describe how ***?ole you are!!
You should include that in your signature it's a good idea!

IF you want to debate please do not resort to Ad Holem attacks, it's childish, makes you look like a fool, and destroys your credibility.

IxildorRS - If there was room, I would though, Ask yourself this: Am I a asshole or do I have something you lack.. commen sence

Allright I know where this is going and lets not start a flame war here.

 

[Gainsay]

He has chem weapons for a reason.. to use them.

He had Chemical weapons at one time, it is unlikely that he now has any right now. But then again it's the job of the weapons inspectors to find and destroy them. They are in the country _Right now_ now doing thier job.

That is why we are going to war despite all the brainwahsing media..

The media are generaly on the side of the Government here. It is just really damn hard to be on the side of the government when they offer no proof.

He kills his own people etc

Absolutely

That kills others and trains others to hate the U.S and other powers.

Yup he had killed others in wars. Not really sure how one trains someone to hate, but Anti-US sedimant was around before Saddam in power.

I find it interesting how everyone says war for oil.. its not. Oil is a bouson and a issue yes but NOT the main reason for us going to war. Why not form your own ideas about this instead of stating incorrect facts that you have heard from the news etc.

Heck I am the only one here who actualy stated facts and they all Came from the US government. Unless you are prepared to offer facts I suggest you read your own comment.

Glady will I back my infomation up but Not right now. My advice would be to go and look at the statmnets from the goverment about this issue. Also if your going to quote me please do it and than responde in a intellegent manner not this trash. The media says what it gets paided to say, believe it or not is mostly not for the goverment. If you really want me to back up the statment we are not going to war for oil than I will but I am not untill I am sure that not everyone understnads that we are not. If everyone disagrees feel free to inform me and I will stat my facts.

 

[BtDMH]

I have to admit that in the beginning I didnt support Bush one bit, because I didn't see the evidence that war was necessary. Of course, after watching video after video of Saddam testing his bilogical and chemical weapons on his own citizens its apparent we need to get rid of him. He has yet to account for over 200 TONS of bilogical and chemical weapons, weapons that he says he doenst have. He also says that he doesnt have the weaponry to launch these biological or chemical weapons, yet the inspectors find them weekly. He cant prove that he has destroyed the chemical weapons, and he has repeatedly said that if the US attacks Bagdad that he will launch bilogical/chemical weapons on the US troops, and Bush has promised adamantly that if this happens we will use whatever means necessary to annhialate Iraq.

I could care less what you *think* you know, or what you read in the press. The fact of the matter is, Saddam has been told he has to disarm by the U.N., not the US, and has yet to do so. He has skirted the issue for years now, and no one has had the backbone to do anything about it.... so when the US steps up and says, enough is enough, you want to act like hes being a bully.

If you mess with the bull, your going to get the horns, and my friends, Saddam is going to get the horns in the form of a strike from many countries, U.N. backed or not. The U.N. is nothing more than a preventative measure to try to keep peace, and in this matter they arent doing that, they are prohibiting what is necessary to ensure the saftey of the world for us to all enjoy our freedoms today.

Hmm...
I wish the UN would get off it and get to the grizzly about this.
Saddam is going to be the end of a lot of people if they dont let someone do something, or go in and do it themselves.

Damn it must be hard being military, Ryan. I sit here thinking about it, shaking my head at the sheer amount of evidence out there that the UN isnt acting upon. But Im not you or the rest of the military who has the means to stop this @#$! but cant because you have the school teachers and principals (UN) telling you that you cant get even with the bully (Saddam). -snort- Maybe the UN thinks he will disappear all by himself one day and everything will be hunky dorky. (Misspelled intentionally).

I join you in the opinion of Bush by the way Ryan.
I was suspicious about his word about evidence on Iraq, thinking his old man took care of things. Oh hell no. As I read more and more and hear from the military coming through town here... I find that @#$! got done and they are ready to go at us again, just some decade more advanced. I think some of Bush's decisions have been hair brained in his time, but this is something the world has to look at. Bush is simply pushing an issue before the issue becomes a nightmare for everyone.

They say war changes everything.
Have to agree completely.
Never thought I would be willing to say, "I agree, it is time to wipe someone out"... but they wont quit over there.
Guess we shouldnt either huh ?

So Ryan ... what color ribbon do you want tied on the front porch outside, yellow, or should we go "Dipped some dictator's happily spilled blood" red ?


Brian the Dungeonmaster.


p.s. ... it is not a funny subject, but damn this water cooler is getting frigid these days!

 

[Lost User]

"He has chem weapons for a reason.. to use them."

The USA has also chemical weapons, and a lot of weapons being far worse (atomics). For a reason? Yes, I do know of the MAD principle, but there is still something wrong. It's an exclusive club, and anybody who wants to join the club is hindered or bombed freely, because he is not in the club yet.

Yes in GULF1 Saddam killed his own population. Well doesn't the USA still do that itself? Clean in front of your own door and stop death penality before acusing anybody else of not beein human. (A funny side know the USA would not qualify to join the EU (beside not beeing European) (For death penality, civil weapon laws, etc.) Even turkey is already closer and acting more human)

Well and yes Saddam will vanish from himself, like a lot of dictators have done before. (zB Genreal Franko) or what will happen with Kuba? With the same reason you can say you have to invade Kuba because Fidel Castro won't vanish form himself, he will. Learn history no dictatorship holds forever. Even Hitler would have fallen eitherway if the USA would have done nothing. The German Empire was eating up from inside long before 1945. But maybe history is teaches here in Germany different than in the USA. But the economy was breaking up from inside long before, and Hitler made a lot of money with smart short-termed economy effects, which are known to damadge far sighted.

And all people don't ever believe believe again the bullshit that the USA starts a war out of humanity reasons, it has simply never been true. In the history after 1945 they have so often not cared about humanity, or supported unhuman organisations and leader, just as they've seen fit. I've seen a "dark" list longer than several pages.

 

[Lost User]

"Saddam is going to be the end of a lot of people if they dont let someone do something, or go in and do it themselves."

_IF_ the USA starts the war it is going to be the end of a lot of people, if we don't let someone do something, or go in and hinder them. They talked about that an invasion of bagdad with the building fights would cost ~50.000 soildats. 50.000! Just to compare, in vietnam died 55.000 in 7 years! And we're talking about an action taking a month or two.

Yes you can bomb Iraq from air again, but it will not change anything or do anything to saddam. to change something you have to invade on ground. And if that starts really with partisan war and all that, the big part of soldiers will come back in black plastic bags. What a mad man would lead his country in such a situation? What people support such a man?
It has a reason why Golf war I stopped at the point it did.

And for what reason all that?
* There is no connection between BinLaden and Saddam.
* Saddam has not been proven to have anything.
* Saddam is already pretty weak since Golf War I.

 

[Token]

knox what are you on?

"He has chem weapons for a reason.. to use them."

The USA has also chemical weapons, and a lot of weapons being far worse (atomics). For a reason? Yes, I do know of the MAD principle, but there is still something wrong. It's an exclusive club, and anybody who wants to join the club is hindered or bombed freely, because he is not in the club yet.

Yes in GULF1 Saddam killed his own population. Well doesn't the USA still do that itself? Clean in front of your own door and stop death penality before acusing anybody else of not beein human. (A funny side know the USA would not qualify to join the EU (beside not beeing European) (For death penality, civil weapon laws, etc.) Even turkey is already closer and acting more human)

Well and yes Saddam will vanish from himself, like a lot of dictators have done before. (zB Genreal Franko) or what will happen with Kuba? With the same reason you can say you have to invade Kuba because Fidel Castro won't vanish form himself, he will. Learn history no dictatorship holds forever. Even Hitler would have fallen eitherway if the USA would have done nothing. The German Empire was eating up from inside long before 1945. But maybe history is teaches here in Germany different than in the USA. But the economy was breaking up from inside long before, and Hitler made a lot of money with smart short-termed economy effects, which are known to damadge far sighted.

And all people don't ever believe believe again the bullshit that the USA starts a war out of humanity reasons, it has simply never been true. In the history after 1945 they have so often not cared about humanity, or supported unhuman organisations and leader, just as they've seen fit. I've seen a "dark" list longer than several pages.

1. death penality is for a reason. Are you one of the people that think that people that kill others should set free?

2. if it wasnt for the USA most countrys wouldnt even be doing as good as they are.

3. What country you live in, because you dont know nothing about USA but that your a complete moron that thinks you know everything.

 

[Token]

you know know there is a diffrentce in Saddam and the death pentaly?

 

[Lost User]

1. You can put them in jail for lifetime. Who is the state as anonymous person that it kan kill people at will.

2. most?! one or two maybe but most is a

3. Austria.

Killing your own people is killing your own people.

 

[Token]

people that kill other people should be killed pretty simple


example: A guy exscapes jail that has life in jail and kills someone you where close to. You think he should just go back to jail for life? Are you nuts?

 

[Lost User]

20% of all killed people by death penality were proofen innocent.
50% of all death penalties were black people.

However death penality is not the discussion here. My opinion is its primitive. But you can't accuse anybody for killing people while your doing it yourself. Whats right and whats wrong is a matter of view. He says people revoliting should be killed, or they come free and do it again. Human? No!

 

[Token]

Knox

20% of all killed people by death penality were proofen innocent.
50% of all death penalties were black people.

1. I never said the death pentaly was perfect.
2. I aint racist or anything but if someone does the crime they should pay doesnt matter the race, sex, or what ever.

However death penality is not the discussion here. My opinion is its primitive. But you can't accuse anybody for killing people while your doing it yourself. Whats right and whats wrong is a matter of view. He says people revoliting should be killed, or they come free and do it again. Human? No!

who said this?

Knox I am glad you state what you think. We need more people state what they think.

 

[Token]

Knox what you think about this?

example: A guy exscapes jail that has life in jail and kills someone you where close to. You think he should just go back to jail for life?

 

[BtDMH]

20% of all killed people by death penality were proofen innocent.

I dont know about anyone else, but I am pretty sure Saddam is guilty of all the things we saw on video and heard about from our men and women over there in firing range of Saddam.

And I am curious to know where your percentile comes from, if you could please provide us a place to cross-reference this.


Brian the Dungeonmaster

 

[Lost User]

Read it all at http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/

But your right it ain't the exact numbers, but the size matches aprox. 44% are black.
Innocence is hard to say, as as they say when the guy is dead the suits stop working on the case. However "Since 1973, 103 people in 25 states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence. " How many have been killed before is hard to tell.

It is not even unperfect, it's cruel. Tell me why are the needles of lethal injections steril?

Read: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/botched.html about a lot of the cruel examples.
If let soldiers see movies of this executions they will also believe how evil and bad that is, and hwo this government treats it's people.

 

[Voran]

Bush isn't in it for profit. He isn't in it to stop terrorism - that's what the UN want to do, and why they want their weapons inspectors to find something solid before attacking Iraq. Bush is in it because his father let Saddam Hussein get away at the end of the Gulf War. He knows what a bastard Hussein is, he knows the UN want to make sure he's a threat before sending people out there to fight and face the consequences. He doesn't want to wait - he wants to make a glorious stand to make himswelf look good on the world stage. The moron doesn't even know where Iraq is. This is a man who sent a letter to a school in Scotland telling them how glad he was that they were part of the US. This is a man who can nearly kill himself with a pretzel. This is a man who supports the barbaric practice of the death sentance.
This is a man who rles the most powerful country in the world.
I seriously hope that Saddam is dealt with without loss of life. I hope Ryan and the other brave US and UK soldiers come back safe and sound, and I hope that Bush is deposed and replaced with a sane president.

 

[Lost User]

There! And now call any other state to be cruel...

1. August 10, 1982. Virginia. Frank J. Coppola. Electrocution. Although no media representatives witnessed the execution and no details were ever released by the Virginia Department of Corrections, an attorney who was present later stated that it took two 55-second jolts of electricity to kill Coppola. The second jolt produced the odor and sizzling sound of burning flesh, and Coppola's head and leg caught on fire. Smoke filled the death chamber from floor to ceiling with a smokey haze.1

2. April 22, 1983. Alabama. John Evans. Electrocution. After the first jolt of electricity, sparks and flames erupted from the electrode attached to Evans's leg. The electrode burst from the strap holding it in place and caught on fire. Smoke and sparks also came out from under the hood in the vicinity of Evans's left temple. Two physicians entered the chamber and found a heartbeat. The electrode was reattached to his leg, and another jolt of electricity was applied. This resulted in more smoke and burning flesh. Again the doctors found a heartbeat. Ignoring the pleas of Evans's lawyer, a third jolt of electricity was applied. The execution took 14 minutes and left Evans's body charred and smoldering.2

3. Sept. 2, 1983. Mississippi. Jimmy Lee Gray. Asphyxiation. Officials had to clear the room eight minutes after the gas was released when Gray's desperate gasps for air repulsed witnesses. His attorney, Dennis Balske of Montgomery, Alabama, criticized state officials for clearing the room when the inmate was still alive. Said noted death penalty defense attorney David Bruck, "Jimmy Lee Gray died banging his head against a steel pole in the gas chamber while the reporters counted his moans (eleven, according to the Associated Press)."3 Later it was revealed that the executioner, Barry Bruce, was drunk.4

4. December 12, 1984. Georgia. Alpha Otis Stephens. Electrocution. "The first charge of electricity ... failed to kill him, and he struggled to breathe for eight minutes before a second charge carried out his death sentence ..."5 After the first two minute power surge, there was a six minute pause so his body could cool before physicians could examine him (and declare that another jolt was needed). During that six-minute interval, Stephens took 23 breaths. A Georgia prison official said, "Stephens was just not a conductor" of electricity.6

5. March 13, 1985. Texas. Stephen Peter Morin. Lethal Injection. Because of Morin's history of drug abuse, the execution technicians were forced to probe both of Morin's arms and one of his legs with needles for nearly 45 minutes before they found a suitable vein.7

6. October 16, 1985. Indiana. William E. Vandiver. Electrocution. After the first administration of 2,300 volts, Vandiver was still breathing. The execution eventually took 17 minutes and five jolts of electricity.8 Vandiver's attorney, Herbert Shaps, witnessed the execution and observed smoke and the smell of burning. He called the execution "outrageous." The Department of Corrections admitted the execution "did not go according to plan."9

7. August 20, 1986. Texas. Randy Woolls. Lethal Injection. A drug addict, Woolls helped the execution technicians find a useable vein for the execution.10

8. June 24, 1987. Texas. Elliot Rod Johnson. Lethal Injection. Because of collapsed veins, it took nearly an hour to complete the execution.11

9. December 13, 1988. Texas. Raymond Landry. Lethal Injection. Pronounced dead 40 minutes after being strapped to the execution gurney and 24 minutes after the drugs first started flowing into his arms.12 Two minutes after the drugs were administered, the syringe came out of Landry's vein, spraying the deadly chemicals across the room toward witnesses. The curtain separating the witnesses from the inmate was then pulled, and not reopened for fourteen minutes while the execution team reinserted the catheter into the vein. Witnesses reported "at least one groan." A spokesman for the Texas Department of Correction, Charles Brown (sic), said, "There was something of a delay in the execution because of what officials called a 'blowout.' The syringe came out of the vein, and the warden ordered the (execution) team to reinsert the catheter into the vein."13

10. May 24, 1989. Texas. Stephen McCoy. Lethal Injection. He had such a violent physical reaction to the drugs (heaving chest, gasping, choking, back arching off the gurney, etc.) that one of the witnesses (male) fainted, crashing into and knocking over another witness. Houston attorney Karen Zellars, who represented McCoy and witnessed the execution, thought the fainting would catalyze a chain reaction. The Texas Attorney General admitted the inmate "seemed to have a somewhat stronger reaction," adding "The drugs might have been administered in a heavier dose or more rapidly."14

11. July 14, 1989. Alabama. Horace Franklin Dunkins, Jr. Electrocution. It took two jolts of electricity, nine minutes apart, to complete the execution. After the first jolt failed to kill the prisoner (who was mildly retarded), the captain of the prison guard opened the door to the witness room and stated "I believe we've got the jacks on wrong."15 Because the cables had been connected improperly, it was impossible to dispense sufficient current to cause death. The cables were reconnected before a second jolt was administered. Death was pronounced 19 minutes after the first electric charge. At a post-execution news conference, Alabama Prison Commissioner Morris Thigpen said, "I regret very very much what happened. [The cause] was human error."16

12. May 4, 1990. Florida. Jesse Joseph Tafero. Electrocution. During the execution, six-inch flames erupted from Tafero's head, and three jolts of power were required to stop his breathing. State officials claimed that the botched execution was caused by "inadvertent human error" -- the inappropriate substitution of a synthetic sponge for a natural sponge that had been used in previous executions.17 They attempted to support this theory by sticking a part of a synthetic sponge into a "common household toaster" and observing that it smoldered and caught fire.18

13. September 12, 1990. Illinois. Charles Walker. Lethal Injection. Because of equipment failure and human error, Walker suffered excruciating pain during his execution. According to Gary Sutterfield, an engineer from the Missouri State Prison who was retained by the State of Illinois to assist with Walker's execution, a kink in the plastic tubing going into Walker's arm stopped the deadly chemicals from reaching Walker. In addition, the intravenous needle was inserted pointing at Walker's fingers instead of his heart, prolonging the execution.19

14. October 17, 1990. Virginia. Wilbert Lee Evans. Electrocution. When Evans was hit with the first burst of electricity, blood spewed from the right side of the mask on Evans's face, drenching Evans's shirt with blood and causing a sizzling sound as blood dripped from his lips. Evans continued to moan before a second jolt of electricity was applied. The autopsy concluded that Evans suffered a bloody nose after the voltage surge elevated his high blood pressure.20

15. August 22, 1991. Virginia. Derick Lynn Peterson. Electrocution. After the first cycle of electricity was applied, and again four minutes later, prison physician David Barnes inspected Peterson's neck and checked him with a stethoscope, announcing each time "He has not expired." Seven and one-half minutes after the first attempt to kill the inmate, a second cycle of electricity was applied. Prison officials later announced that in the future they would routinely administer two cycles before checking for a heartbeat.21

16. January 24, 1992. Arkansas. Rickey Ray Rector. Lethal Injection. It took medical staff more than 50 minutes to find a suitable vein in Rector's arm. Witnesses were kept behind a drawn curtain and not permitted to view this scene, but reported hearing Rector's eight loud moans throughout the process. During the ordeal Rector (who suffered from serious brain damage) helped the medical personnel find a vein. The administrator of State's Department of Corrections medical programs said (paraphrased by a newspaper reporter) "the moans did come as a team of two medical people that had grown to five worked on both sides of his body to find a vein." The administrator said "That may have contributed to his occasional outbursts." The difficulty in finding a suitable vein was later attributed to Rector's bulk and his regular use of antipsychotic medication.22

17. April 6, 1992. Arizona. Donald Eugene Harding. Asphyxiation. Death was not pronounced until 10 1/2 minutes after the cyanide tablets were dropped.23 During the execution, Harding thrashed and struggled violently against the restraining straps. A television journalist who witnessed the execution, Cameron Harper, said that Harding's spasms and jerks lasted 6 minutes and 37 seconds. "Obviously, this man was suffering. This was a violent death .. . an ugly event. We put animals to death more humanely."24 Another witness, newspaper reporter Carla McClain, said, "Harding's death was extremely violent. He was in great pain. I heard him gasp and moan. I saw his body turn from red to purple."25 One reporter who witnessed the execution suffered from insomnia and assorted illnesses for several weeks; two others were "walking vegetables" for several days.26

18. March 10, 1992. Oklahoma. Robyn Lee Parks. Lethal Injection. Parks had a violent reaction to the drugs used in the lethal injection. Two minutes after the drugs were dispensed, the muscles in his jaw, neck, and abdomen began to react spasmodically for approximately 45 seconds. Parks continued to gasp and violently gag until death came, some eleven minutes after the drugs were first administered. Tulsa World reporter Wayne Greene wrote that the execution looked "painful and ugly," and "scary." "It was overwhelming, stunning, disturbing -- an intrusion into a moment so personal that reporters, taught for years that intrusion is their business, had trouble looking each other in the eyes after it was over."27

19. April 23, 1992. Texas. Billy Wayne White. Lethal Injection. White was pronounced dead some 47 minutes after being strapped to the execution gurney. The delay was caused by difficulty finding a vein; White had a long history of heroin abuse. During the execution, White attempted to assist the authorities in finding a suitable vein.28

20. May 7, 1992. Texas. Justin Lee May. Lethal Injection. May had an unusually violent reaction to the lethal drugs. According to one reporter who witnessed the execution, May "gasped, coughed and reared against his heavy leather restraints, coughing once again before his body froze ..."29 Associated Press reporter Michael Graczyk wrote, "Compared to other recent executions in Texas, May's reaction was more violent. He went into a coughing spasm, groaned and gasped, lifted his head from the death chamber gurney and would have arched his back if he had not been belted down. After he stopped breathing, his eyes and mouth remained open."30

21. May 10, 1994. Illinois. John Wayne Gacy. Lethal Injection. After the execution began, the lethal chemicals unexpectedly solidified, clogging the IV tube that lead into Gacy's arm, and prohibiting any further passage. Blinds covering the window through which witnesses observed the execution were drawn, and the execution team replaced the clogged tube with a new one. Ten minutes later, the blinds were then reopened and the execution process resumed. It took 18 minutes to complete.31 Anesthesiologists blamed the problem on the inexperience of prison officials who were conducting the execution, saying that proper procedures taught in "IV 101" would have prevented the error.32

22. May 3, 1995. Missouri. Emmitt Foster. Lethal Injection. Seven minutes after the lethal chemicals began to flow into Foster's arm, the execution was halted when the chemicals stopped circulating. With Foster gasping and convulsing, the blinds were drawn so the witnesses could not view the scene. Death was pronounced thirty minutes after the execution began, and three minutes later the blinds were reopened so the witnesses could view the corpse.33 According to William "Mal" Gum, the Washington County Coroner who pronounced death, the problem was caused by the tightness of the leather straps that bound Foster to the execution gurney; it was so tight that the flow of chemicals into the veins was restricted. Foster did not die until several minutes after a prison worker finally loosened the straps. The coroner entered the death chamber twenty minutes after the execution began, diagnosed the problem, and told the officials to loosen the strap so the execution could proceed.34 In an editorial, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch called the execution "a particularly sordid chapter in Missouri's capital punishment experience."35

23. January 23, 1996. Virginia. Richard Townes, Jr. Lethal Injection. This execution was delayed for 22 minutes while medical personnel struggled to find a vein large enough for the needle. After unsuccessful attempts to insert the needle through the arms, the needle was finally inserted through the top of Mr. Townes's right foot.36

24. July 18, 1996. Indiana. Tommie J. Smith. Lethal Injection. Because of unusually small veins, it took one hour and nine minutes for Smith to be pronounced dead after the execution team began sticking needles into his body. For sixteen minutes, the execution team failed to find adequate veins, and then a physician was called.37 Smith was given a local anesthetic and the physician twice attempted to insert the tube in Smith's neck. When that failed, an angio-catheter was inserted in Smith's foot. Only then were witnesses permitted to view the process. The lethal drugs were finally injected into Smith 49 minutes after the first attempts, and it took another 20 minutes before death was pronounced.38

25. March 25, 1997. Florida. Pedro Medina. Electrocution. A crown of foot-high flames shot from the headpiece during the execution, filling the execution chamber with a stench of thick smoke and gagging the two dozen official witnesses. An official then threw a switch to manually cut off the power and prematurely end the two-minute cycle of 2,000 volts. Medina's chest continued to heave until the flames stopped and death came.39 After the execution, prison officials blamed the fire on a corroded copper screen in the headpiece of the electric chair, but two experts hired by the governor later concluded that the fire was caused by the improper application of a sponge (designed to conduct electricity) to Medina's head.

26. May 8, 1997. Oklahoma. Scott Dawn Carpenter. Carpenter was pronounced dead some 11 minutes after the lethal injection was administered. As the drugs took effect, Carpenter began to gasp and shake. "This was followed by a guttural sound, multiple spasms and gasping for air" until his body stopped moving, three minutes later.40

27. June 13, 1997. South Carolina. Michael Eugene Elkins. Lethal Injection. Because Elkins's body had become swollen from liver and spleen problems, it took nearly an hour to find a suitable vein for the insertion of the catheter. Elkins tried to assist the executioners, asking "Should I lean my head down a little bit?" as they probed for a vein. After numerous failures, a usable vein was finally found in Elkins's neck.41

28. April 23, 1998. Texas. Joseph Cannon. Lethal Injection. It took two attempts to complete the execution. After making his final statement, the execution process began. A vein in Cannon's arm collapsed and the needle popped out. Seeing this, Cannon lay back, closed his eyes, and exclaimed to the witnesses, "It's come undone." Officials then pulled a curtain to block the view of the witnesses, reopening it fifteen minutes later when a weeping Cannon made a second final statement and the execution process resumed.42

29. August 26, 1998. Texas. Genaro Ruiz Camacho. Lethal Injection. The execution was delayed approximately two hours due, in part, to problems finding suitable veins in Camacho's arms.43

30. October 5, 1998. Nevada. Roderick Abeyta. It took 25 minutes for the execution team to find a vein suitable for the lethal injection.44

31. July 8, 1999. Florida. Allen Lee Davis. "Before he was pronounced dead ... the blood from his mouth had poured onto the collar of his white shirt, and the blood on his chest had spread to about the size of a dinner plate, even oozing through the buckle holes on the leather chest strap holding him to the chair."45 His execution was the first in Florida's new electric chair, built especially so it could accommodate a man Davis's size (approximately 350 pounds). Later, when another Florida death row inmate challenged the constitutionality of the electric chair, Florida Supreme Court Justice Leander Shaw commented that "the color photos of Davis depict a man who -- for all appearances -- was brutally tortured to death by the citizens of Florida."46 Justice Shaw also described the botched executions of Jesse Tafero and Pedro Medina (q.v.), calling the three executions "barbaric spectacles" and "acts more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state."47 Justice Shaw included pictures of Davis's dead body in his opinion.48 The execution was witnessed by a Florida State Senator, Ginny Brown-Waite, who at first was "shocked" to see the blood, until she realized that the blood was forming the shape of a cross and that it was a message from God saying he supported the execution.49

32. June 8, 2000. Florida. Bennie Demps. It took execution technicians 33 minutes to find suitable veins for the execution. "They butchered me back there," said Demps in his final statement. "I was in a lot of pain. They cut me in the groin; they cut me in the leg. I was bleeding profusely. This is not an execution, it is murder." The executioners had no unusual problems finding one vein, but because Florida protocol requires a second alternate intravenous drip, they continued to work to insert another needle, finally abandoning the effort after their prolonged failures.50

33. June 28, 2000. Missouri. Bert Leroy Hunter. Hunter had an unusual reaction to the lethal drugs, repeatedly coughing and gasping for air before he lapsed into unconsciousness.51 An attorney who witnessed the execution reported that Hunter had "violent convulsions. His head and chest jerked rapidly upward as far as the gurney restraints would allow, and then he fell quickly down upon the gurney. His body convulsed back and forth like this repeatedly. ... He suffered a violent and agonizing death."52

34. November 7, 2001. Georgia. Jose High. High was pronounced dead some one hour and nine minutes after the execution began. After attempting to
find a useable vein for "15 to 20 minutes," the emergency medical technicians under contract to do the execution abandoned their efforts. Eventually, one needle was stuck in High's hand, and a physician was called in to insert a second needle between his shoulder and neck.53

 

[IxildorRS]

Calm down!
I Believe that death penaldy must occur in something more than obvius situations!
Like someone taking a machine gun and killing 20 people!
He deserves to die like hell!
In matter of fact a public hanging in the local townsquare is the best solution