Which would you ban?

[Maynza]

This is Starbucks, You can't ban either one unless they really do something bad.

Oh wait, The Crusades and The Holocaust; OK ban 'em both.

Um despite very popular religious belief, Hitler wasn't an atheist.

 

[TMSTKSBK]

Hitler wasn't an anything...

 

[David]

And I'm not sure I would call the folks running the Crusades Christians either.

 

[WarAngel]

Yeap. Most of the articles I can find agree that while Hitler was not an Atheist, he wasn't a Christian either.

 

[TMSTKSBK]

Hitler pretty much created his own sect...in order to further Nazism...

The guys in the Crusades, however...eh...there were good and bad ones.

 

[Maynza]

And I'm not sure I would call the folks running the Crusades Christians either.

Well considering it was all started by a religious figurehead I would beg to differ.

 

[shrundowr]

Hitler pretty much created his own sect...in order to further Nazism...

The guys in the Crusades, however...eh...there were good and bad ones.

no...only bad... cmon now, burning people at stakes for being pagan is not good in any way shape or form.

 

[WarAngel]

Well considering it was all started by a religious figurehead I would beg to differ.

Since when do figureheads mean anything? Bush is a figurehead. That doesn't mean everything he says Americans believe we actually believe, does it?

 

[TMSTKSBK]

@AB: that was the Inquisition...

 

[Maynza]

Since when do figureheads mean anything? Bush is a figurehead. That doesn't mean everything he says Americans believe we actually believe, does it?

The question was whether or not the crusades were a christian invention.

 

[WarAngel]

@AB: that was the Inquisition...

If someone tries to argue that the Inquisition was religious persecution AGAIN, I will murder them. "In-house cleaning" by the Church has nothing to do with persecuting other religions.

 

[WarAngel]

The question was whether or not the crusades were a christian invention.

Anyone can label themselves anything they want. I could go out and start killing random people in the name of Lou Dobbs. Does that mean my slaughtering was his invention?

 

[TMSTKSBK]

@WA: I wasn't arguing that it was. Burning at stakes was in the Inquisition...not so much in the Crusades.

 

[WarAngel]

@WA: I wasn't arguing that it was. Burning at stakes was in the Inquisition...not so much in the Crusades.

Oh, no, I wasn't directly replying to you. That was aimed at anyone that might think about replying about the Inquisition.

 

[Slayer706]

Since when do figureheads mean anything? Bush is a figurehead. That doesn't mean everything he says Americans believe we actually believe, does it?

Because in their religion, the Pope is the voice of God. He is the person that God talks to. Why would he do something that God didn't tell him to do?

 

[shrundowr]

@WA: I wasn't arguing that it was. Burning at stakes was in the Inquisition...not so much in the Crusades.

yeah they did. they also boiled heads while people were alive. Some serious fucked up shit. And even if they hadn't is any method of killing for no reason other than the fact that they don believe in your religion good? No.

 

[Johabius]

Because in their religion, the Pope is the voice of God. He is the person that God talks to. Why would he do something that God didn't tell him to do?

ummm corruption maybe? Pat Robertson says God tells him things all the time. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of that man's mouth at all.

 

[WarAngel]

Because in their religion, the Pope is the voice of God.

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong. That's not what's believed at all. The Church is meant to be a guiding light on earth, but they are also a human institution. No human is believed to be a direct spokesman of God. Interpreters, if you will.

 

[shrundowr]

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong. That's not what's believed at all.

yeah, I usta be catholic, and even I can tell you thats pure bullshit.

 

[Slayer706]

Interpreters, if you will.

Ok, the pope is the interpreter of God. How do you know he didn't interpret God's will when he called for the Crusades?