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Which would you ban?
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Nar Matteru
Wanderer
Never said I disagreed with that part at all :/ (altho perhaps not as harshly as you worded it)DontdroptheSOAD;731914 said:
Just the bit about John Paul II
carriehart
Sorceror
Nar Matteru;731913 said:
It would reduce alot. for how long? Do you think blaming religion for man's stupidity, will reduce our responsiblity, for all the crap, we've done.
And I'll say again, it wouldn't make any differce. Man's greatest trait is finding excuses to hate.
Oh yea didn't morality originate in religion, let's do away with that while we're at it.
Nar Matteru
Wanderer
Not really. I'm not saying hate will end, it probably never will, but if you remove the things that encourage it, it will reduce it drastically. And stay reduced. Religion is one of those encouraging factors of hate. You have to remember, removing religion, means future ones too.
(not that advocating the forced removal of religion in society, just pointing out how much better it would be without it)
there will always be other reasons for conflict, but with the main one gone, the world would be much more peaceful.
(not that advocating the forced removal of religion in society, just pointing out how much better it would be without it)
there will always be other reasons for conflict, but with the main one gone, the world would be much more peaceful.
Nar Matteru
Wanderer
Morals can't really be taught. (by religion or otherwise) You can tell a child not to hit another child, and he won't... in front of you. Once the child has been hit himself, and understands pain, he will understand why he shouldn't do it to another child. Its really more of a self learning/teaching exercise than anything.
Now.. what religion has created is certain societal rules that it wants others to abide by that it likes to call morals, ie homosexuality. But these don't hurt others, and were religion not present, would exist freely and without consequence. They would not be involved in the self learning process simply cuz they are not harmful.
Now.. what religion has created is certain societal rules that it wants others to abide by that it likes to call morals, ie homosexuality. But these don't hurt others, and were religion not present, would exist freely and without consequence. They would not be involved in the self learning process simply cuz they are not harmful.
carriehart
Sorceror
DontdroptheSOAD;731921 said:
Ok were then, I'm not being a smart ass either I would really like to know.
thank you
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Nar Matteru
Wanderer
when the first caveman realized that being hit over the head with a club hurt, and that he should not do it to another caveman without good reason.carriehart;731923 said:
PappaSmurf
Knight
DontdroptheSOAD;731925 said:
I think Morality is more based in conscience than in faith. We all have an innate knowledge of right and wrong and how to do certain things. Religion not only acts as if it's re-enforcing those morals but tries to instill it's own which often leads to a restriction of what would be perfectly normal actions for a human being.
But I do find it rather ironic that Humans will justify killing in the name of their favored deity, but without that justification they consider it a sin.
Courageous
Wanderer
Ah. Well, unfortunately the poll is missing the appropriate response:
"Ban those who would ban for religious purposes".
C//
"Ban those who would ban for religious purposes".
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carriehart
Sorceror
Nar Matteru;731924 said:
Until the next caveman pist him off any way.
I don't rember the last time I was even in a church, I'm not a fanatic, even if religion is man's making, religion is still just an excuse for OUR crimes.
carriehart
Sorceror
PappaSmurf;731926 said:
Well that's because SOMEONE AS IN HUMAN gave them permision.
Got to give you ++ on that one 100% agree.
Nar Matteru
Wanderer
I'm not blaming our crimes on religion at all, just saying that religion is a very convenient and easy vehicle to commit them through.carriehart;731928 said:
modernschroeder
Sorceror
I don't even get how exactly would you possibly ban them? I mean, you could ban the "gatherings"? But it would be pretty hard to dictate what people actually believe. You would need some kind of mind control for that.
carriehart
Sorceror
My first post on this, lame except for the last part.
QUOTE > Nar Matteru
I'm not blaming our crimes on religion at all, just saying that religion is a very convenient and easy vehicle to commit them through.
It's also a convenient scapegoat
Isn't the main motivator behind religious crimes, someone thinking they know what's best for someone else, your religion's wrong mine is right kind of thing. Even if you could ban it, nothing would change, this poll is proof of that.
yea, yea no one got killed here, but if you were to try to inforce this Ban either way.
I did not vote, because this kind of thinking is what's really to blame.
It's just an opinion, and you know what there like that everyones got
carriehart;731869 said:
QUOTE > Nar Matteru
I'm not blaming our crimes on religion at all, just saying that religion is a very convenient and easy vehicle to commit them through.
It's also a convenient scapegoat
Isn't the main motivator behind religious crimes, someone thinking they know what's best for someone else, your religion's wrong mine is right kind of thing. Even if you could ban it, nothing would change, this poll is proof of that.
yea, yea no one got killed here, but if you were to try to inforce this Ban either way.
I did not vote, because this kind of thinking is what's really to blame.
It's just an opinion, and you know what there like that everyones got
Courageous
Wanderer
Intolerance is the main motivator behind religious crimes.
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PappaSmurf
Knight
Nar Matteru;731901 said:
Thing is where would these people be if there wasn't an organized Religion for them to hide behind? These people are using a fanatic devotion and code of ethics instilled in the population over centuries to manipulate and control them. This comes back to my original point, organized religion is fundamental in the control, and absolvement of basic human morals through providing a means to justify horrendous actions.
Remove the organization yet allow individuals to continue to have their faith, as they interpret it and you lose that shield. You can still pray nightly and go to heaven. You can still strap a bomb to your ass and blow up a bus load of elderly people in the name of your god in hopes of getting 22 virgins in heaven, but you won't have a small group of charismatic jackasses encouraging and and promoting such action. This over all will cause a net decrease in such actions, as the majority of the people are either cowards who haven't a big enough pair to do such things and need the support and initiative or have enough sense to know it's bullshit and stay the hell away from it.