RunUO Banned From School

[TMSTKSBK]

May as well get rid of the unstable ones now [/joke]

 

[shrundowr]

Teachers teach because they get paid

Nice joke, did you make that one up yourself?

Simple restrictions like porn filters and whatnot is acceptable because some kids are like ab and cant resist the fetish sites.

And yet I still got past them

No child deserves to be molested, regardless of the circumstances.

Agreed. Children cannot be held accountable for this. The pervs are. No matter How dumb the kid is, or how irresposnible they act, they never deserve shit like that. Noone deserves this. I speak from exerience.

 

[o0_Sithid_0o]

SunShine, all of your objections are based on the assumption that the school system is competent.

Little Johhny will already come out of school with no real life skills because schools don't teach them.
I was in Honors Trigonometry when I was a sophomore and I can honestly say that class was easy..... School never taught me anything, all it did was waste my time. I could have been out actually learning stuff than going to pep rallies or any of that garbage. We had things called "Spirit Lines" where the teachers would make all the kids go out in the hall for half an hour while the band went through playing their instruments. How in the hell does that help a students education? How do "pep rallies" help anyone? They don't.

Another thing I hated with school, is that I was forced to take English every single year. I don't give a rats ass about poetry, shakespear, or any of that garbage. But they still force you to take the class. English is a waste of time. I could type as well as I could now, so I obviously understood the rules of the English language. So why did they make students take English if they aready know all the rules of the English language? Don't try to tell me Romeo and Juliet is educational, it isn't. In my job now, I can honestly say I have never had any use for anything I "learned" in English/Literature class. Sure I read lots of books that I hated, but that isn't education.

I laugh at the education system. The highschool I went to has been in the newspapers lately asking people to write letters to the state congressmen to ask them to give more money to the school. And what is the school building right now with all that money they have? A new fence and ticket booth for the football field. Yeah, I am going to ask the state to spend more tax money on a highschool football stadium.

So to sum all this up. School was a piece of cake, and I didn't learn anything from most of my classes. There were a few teachers that stood out, and actually taught something. The rest of it was "Open your book, read these pages, do this worksheet, leave when the bell rings.". So I don't see why the students can't go to humor websites during school, because it isn't like they are doing anything else constructive at the moment.

If you didnt notice by now, not every fucking kid is as "blessed" as you assmunch. You laugh at english and all that shit because you were lucky enough to catch on early, theres a shitload of people who take an extreme amount of time to catch up and learn like the rest so to them school isnt so funny. Btw, school teachs you more than you oviously realize.

 

[Nochte]

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Funny you mentioned how well you know the rules of English...ya know, the way you slipped back and forth through at least two different tenses

 

[TMSTKSBK]

All your base are belong to the Engrish.

 

[WarAngel]

So all you ignorant fuckers think that teachers teach for the sake of teaching? LMFAO. And you called me retarded. If they taught for the sake of teaching, I don't think we would be soaring to the top of the idiot children of the world chart.

Either way, the government is a failure in education and you all ignored my entire message except for the part about teachers teaching for the sake of being paid because I don't think you can really come up with an intelligent reply, which is what usually happens anyway so I'm not sure why I'm suprised.

 

[bzk90]

The benefits of teaching in America are slim to non. in Japan teachers are regarded highly in society. Teaching is such an honorable position that educators are constantly competing against each other for jobs. I suppose that would explain why the japanese education system is better in all aspects when compared to the US education system.

 

[shrundowr]

So all you ignorant fuckers think that teachers teach for the sake of teaching? LMFAO. And you called me retarded. If they taught for the sake of teaching, I don't think we would be soaring to the tops of the idiot children of the world chart.

Being that most of them get payed less than most garbage men, Yes. also they come out of their own pocket alot. And the reason we suck compared to other countries is has nothing to do with our teachers, its our kids and the lifestyle they are raised in. Oh and our moronic el presidente.

 

[WarAngel]

Being that most of them get payed less than most garbage men, Yes. also they come out of their own pocket alot. And the reason we suck compared to other countries is has nothing to do with our teachers, its our kids and the lifestyle they are raised in. Oh and our moronic el presidente.

Yes. Our current president is directly related to their failure to properly educate children for the past decade or two. Damn him, the bastard.

 

[shrundowr]

Yes. Our current president is directly related to their failure to properly educate children for the past decade or two. Damn him, the bastard.

The schools were promised more money for his "No child left behind" plan and thus bought things, money was used on other things for "emergency homeland security reasons" (bombing a whole different country)

 

[WarAngel]

The schools were promised more money for his "No child left behind" plan and thus bought things, money was used on other things for "emergency homeland security reasons" (bombing a whole different country)

And yet that still has nothing to do with our steady decline in educational ability for the past decade or two.

 

[bzk90]

Read up on the japanese education system anti. Children are taught from a young age, by both parent and teacher, all the ethical and moral values of the japanese culture. teachers and parents in the US generaly don't do that. Education was just as bad before bush so that point is moot. Teacher pay is bad but its not that bad, They make 20-40k a year plus the mass amount of benefits for being civil servicemen/women.

 

[shrundowr]

And yet that still has nothing to do with our steady decline in educational ability for the past decade or two.

perhaps not, hence the other parts of my post which you ignored because you want to highlight the fact that I dislike our current president and beat that into the ground Again

 

[arul]

Hehe. Health, education, government, president... different countries, same problems. It's same everywhere, don't blame anyone besides the society itself.

 

[WarAngel]

perhaps not, hence the other parts of my post which you ignored because you want to highlight the fact that I dislike our current president and beat that into the ground Again

Hey. Why don't you ignore a majority of my 5-paragraph essay about education reform ideas so you can bash the current president and beat that into the ground Again and give lame excuses as to why our education doesn't work and expect me to reply to said lame excuses. The children aren't the problem. The government not allowing a moral base to be created during a child's young age in public school because it "corrupts the child" or whatever lame excuse there has been to take morality out of school is the part of the problem. Don't blame the kids or their "lifestyle". 5-year olds don't have a "lifestyle".

 

[shrundowr]

Hey. Why don't you ignore a majority of my 5-paragraph essay about education reform ideas so you can bash the current president and beat that into the ground Again and give lame excuses as to why our education doesn't work and expect me to reply to said lame excuses. The children aren't the problem. The government not allowing a moral base to be created during a child's young age in public school because it "corrupts the child" or whatever lame excuse there has been to take morality out of school is the part of the problem. Don't blame the kids or their "lifestyle". 5-year olds don't have a "lifestyle".

And yet you're way past 5 and still don't.....

 

[bzk90]

The entire notion that its the presidents fault is just ludicrous, especially when you consider the fact that the federal government only supplies about 8.5% of the public education systems total funding.

 

[TheOutkastDev]

When people talk about the failure of the education system, they always point to the obvious: It isn't adequately educating. It seems like a logical conclusion, yes? If our country is becoming a cesspool of ignorant troglodites, then it must be because the education system did not educate.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't one have to apply the knowledge on his or her own? Why are the statistics showing our lackluster education have to always be cited as a result of not educating. Maybe we're not showing our kids how to use the fucking trigonometic identities in real life, practical application. Or, the uses of compound interest, and how knowing it can be the difference in paying $50,000 for his corvette, or $60,000.

Education isn't complete until complete, understood application.

 

[o0_Sithid_0o]

A majority of schools do not have these "good" teachers you speak of. While I was lucky enough to have two of them while I attended public school, every single one of my teachers at the private school I attended for high school were not only good, they were excellent.

The difference is the fact that public schools aren't about education anymore. Teachers teach because they get paid (most of them), and students go to school because they have to (most of them, at least for grade school). This is a difficult reality to face, but the quicker we do as a nation, the more children we can save from our "modern" education.

We really need to either:

A) Stop abusing tax dollars by having this joke of a public education system and initiate some serious education reform (this includes some serious belittling of the teachers union - they are 50% of the problem).

OR

B) Stop abusing tax dollars by having this joke of a public education system and completely privatize it alltogether. Though I wouldn't really like the idea of it, a voucher system funded by the government would be beneficial to those who can't afford to pay a lot for schools. Those who don't make enough money to pay top dollar for education (even though education is worth every penny when you are actually being educated) can use a government voucher worth a certain amount to get their child into a less-expensive, yet privatized school.

Not only does this plan remove the government from a public education system it is quickly destroying, it allows the private education groups to choose the teachers, cutting down on the number of bad teachers and increasing the number of good teachers.

Students will be able to learn more because private education groups can be more specific in their teaching and monitoring, so they will be able to get more help to children who are struggling, and also hire more advanced teachers for more advanced children At my public school, all of the advanced programs for the more advanced students were eliminated because it "discriminated" (intelligenceism????) against the children who couldn't make it into these advanced programs, and as the education system is run by the government, this "discrimination" was immediatly dealt with by simply eliminating said programs. Not only did this hurt the advanced students by not allowing them to learn at a faster pace, it hurt the less-advanced students because they were forced to compete in class with students who were learning at a much faster pace. How can anyone justify hurting children trying to learn?

PS: My mother is a public school teacher. She agrees with B.

Sense you want a reply to your overall argument here you go.

First off:

Not only does this plan remove the government from a public education system it is quickly destroying, it allows the private education groups to choose the teachers, cutting down on the number of bad teachers and increasing the number of good teachers.

Wrong, dumbass. Do you really think that the government is just going to hand over money to something they have no part in, no control over. I think you need to open your eyes. The government wont hand out that kind of money without some control over the program they are funding.

Also, the government likes to penalize people for what they MAKE/BRING HOME, they easily forget that unlike themselfs( fatass paperpushering bitchs who make enough money to provide for a normal family for a month out of their pocket change ) once the general public pays their bills and gets food most have very little to spend on "private" schools regardless if its worth every single penny. If something like this was actually to go into affect they would need to base the need for vouchers off of how much you actually have once you are done paying your goddamn bills( you know like your house, or those expensive goddamn cars they have now and you have to basically get a new car because the old ones are damn hard to fix when something breaks ).

Lastly for this paticular quote from you, the government would have to be involved someway anyways. If private schooling handled it all there would be nothing to control how much they all charge just to attend. You can bet the government would be involved to control the funding, you wont see them just handing out vouchers for whatever the schools are charging.

Students will be able to learn more because private education groups can be more specific in their teaching and monitoring, so they will be able to get more help to children who are struggling, and also hire more advanced teachers for more advanced children.

I don't really disagree with this part.

At my public school, all of the advanced programs for the more advanced students were eliminated because it "discriminated" (intelligenceism????) against the children who couldn't make it into these advanced programs, and as the education system is run by the government, this "discrimination" was immediatly dealt with by simply eliminating said programs. Not only did this hurt the advanced students by not allowing them to learn at a faster pace, it hurt the less-advanced students because they were forced to compete in class with students who were learning at a much faster pace. How can anyone justify hurting children trying to learn?

Are you honestly thick enough to think their wont be hurt kids in private schools aswell? Do you honestly think kids wont be hurt that they arnt "good" enough to be in the more advanced, more "elite" subjects/classes. Their is competition in everything. Private schools just means smaller, thus more noticable when kids fuck up in class. More noticable when some kids are in the advanced classes and some are not, it ends up just provoking needless torment from the "smarter"/"advanced" students to the "less educated"/"slower" kids. Public schools have a system for dealing with advanced classes you know, its called ELECTIVES, all kids take the core curriculum classes as required by whatever state you live in and then the kids who know they can excel in the more advanced, more indepth parts of the core classes take the stepped up electives( or the AP versions ). An example would be my HS, they teach Analytical Chemistry( not required ), Chem2( not required ), Intro to Chemistry and Physics( core curric, required ) and strait up Physics( not required, AP though ). Kids who are good in chemistry and know damn well they will Excel take the more advanced( Ana Chem for their science credit for 10th grade and then Analytical Chem2 for the more advanced ). I did they analytical chems.

Ya so there is my argument against your post.

 

[Avelyn]

RThey make 20-40k a year plus the mass amount of benefits for being civil servicemen/women.

WRONG, we are not civil service. Our benefits are total shit. They are not government funded.

As to this thread.. interesting. As a young teacher who is very involved let me shed some light. First the educational system, yes, it's sick, why? It has nothing to do with the president, or how inept teachers are. What the difference is between the last few decades and prior to that is the amount of control a teacher has in the classroom. People ask why teachers dont seem to care anymore, the reason is because most of us are petrified to say anything cross to a student. In the 50's when a kid was being a snot, you could discipline them, either by removing privilege or actually smacking the little shit. Thanks to today's society, you can't even tell one to shut up without a parent coming to see your boss or them threatening to tell everyone you've touched them. We still try and care because there are still good kids, but as time goes by that ratio is getting smaller and smaller. In my district, we are short over 100 teachers for next year already.

As for private schools, they have always been a good option, but let's face it, people can't afford them. Home school has major problems also. Only about 10% of kids could sucessfully deal with homeschool. While the learning may be quicker and more challenging for some (that's if you get a competent parent, and that is a big IF), I can tell you from experience it produces a lot of useless members of society who can't even order at a restaurant because of a complete lack of social skills. In my opinion there should be a test that can determine whether a student is fit to be homeschooled and for those few it is a great option.

As for the post about not learning Shakespeare, freaking grow up. Learning things like that may not help you get a job, it's called culture, and ours is getting a little slim. The whole point of the education system is not to get you a job, it's to make you a cultured useful member of a sophisticated society, I hope by the time you get a little older you will understand that.

The education system is fixable, and while money is definitely a help, society once again standing behind their teachers instead of using them as punching bags would be by far one of the best solutions.

As for the original post of this thread, I totally agree with blocking these sights from schools. I do NOT agree with blocking them from anywhere else, under the law it is the state's responsibility to watch your kids when they are in school, but not the government's job when they are anywhere else. That lies with the parents.

On another note, my RunUo Test shard is run from inside my school ;-)